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chris11inter 02-04-2013 03:51 PM

Schneider?
 
Would do you think Blue Jacket Fans....

To CLB:
Cory Schneider
Keith Ballard
2nd rounder

for

To Van:
Brandon Dubinsky
Sergei Bobrovsky
Ryan Johansen

Samkow 02-04-2013 03:56 PM

Absolutely not.

Why would we want somebody who's done nothing but falter when he was expected to be the starter?

Skraut 02-04-2013 03:57 PM

How about you keep him, win a cup with both goaltenders, and we'll keep building slowly as opposed to trading away our future so that we can finish 10th in the conference instead of 15th.

Wizeman* 02-04-2013 03:58 PM

Schneider would have to go for Dubinsky and Johanson plus.

But whats the point of having a world class goalie if you have little in front of it?

I think Mason is solid enough until you have some more talent around him

chris11inter 02-04-2013 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samkow (Post 59036313)
Absolutely not.

Why would we want somebody who's done nothing but falter when he was expected to be the starter?

Faulter to another world class goalie? How do you consider it faultering when a top 5 goalies out plays you?

CBJWennberg41 02-04-2013 04:07 PM

No thanks. Not worth it. We'll wait on Dansk.

Viqsi 02-04-2013 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris11inter (Post 59036071)
Would do you think Blue Jacket Fans....

To CLB:
Cory Schneider
Keith Ballard
2nd rounder

for

To Van:
Brandon Dubinsky
Sergei Bobrovsky
Ryan Johansen

My most frequent justification for speaking up in pretty much every trade thread that even slightly mentions Columbus has historically been that other team's fans will invade our boards with idiotic proposals otherwise.

It seems I may need to change doctrines, as apparently this no longer serves as a deterrent. :(


If this were merely Schneider/Ballard for Dubi/Bob, it would just be an unwise deal for Columbus. Schneider has not done well as a starter so far while Bob has, so there's no reason for us to make that exchange. While Ballard might be useful considering our current injury issues on the blueline, Dubi adds to our defensive prowess and so trading him to make that happen is a bad idea.

It's also a tad silly for Vancouver, seeing as though Ballard seems to have a new lease on life and NHL play right now, and Bob's big issue in Philly was that he was quickly kicked aside before he could prove himself to be the starter - a situation that would not be resolved in Vancouver.

If you'd stopped there, then we'd be fine. Not a great idea, but at least it attempts to be reasonable in concept and doesn't go overboard.

But the proposal didn't stop there. In throwing in Johansen for a 2nd, this deal transcends mere "poor idea" status and achieves "laughably g-dawful." Jeff Carter, when we were desperate for more goalscoring and a #1C, was not good enough to pry Johansen out of Columbus. What in G-d's name makes you think this deal is somehow superior at the outset? What makes you think there's any deal Vancouver could throw together that would make giving up Johansen an attractive option to Columbus and manage to be fair to both sides?

Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable.

Crede777 02-04-2013 04:35 PM

Not getting rid of Johansen. Replace him with someone else other than Murray.

EspenK 02-04-2013 04:36 PM

Proposal:

Schneider to Jackets for nothing

Response : NFW- What has he ever done. He never won a Cup. he had a bad game or two to start the season-proof he sucks.

I do think the price of Joey is a bit high but I'd trade Bob, Dubi & someone else for Schneider but you aren't going to get a lot of positive responses here. Goalies (even guys with Schneiders stats) are not something most fans here are willing to trade for.

And btw, nice goalie fiasco you have going on in Vancouver.

LetsGOJackets!! 02-04-2013 04:52 PM

I have a lot of interest in Schneider..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EspenK (Post 59038141)
Proposal:

Schneider to Jackets for nothing

Response : NFW- What has he ever done. He never won a Cup. he had a bad game or two to start the season-proof he sucks.

I do think the price of Joey is a bit high but I'd trade Bob, Dubi & someone else for Schneider but you aren't going to get a lot of positive responses here. Goalies (even guys with Schneiders stats) are not something most fans here are willing to trade for.

And btw, nice goalie fiasco you have going on in Vancouver.

I just don't think we can give up enough to interest the Nucks, too bad.

Samkow 02-04-2013 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris11inter (Post 59036643)
Faulter to another world class goalie? How do you consider it faultering when a top 5 goalies out plays you?

You mean that world class goalies that the Nucks fans and media trashed/couldn't wait to unload until about 10 days ago?

Gillis screwed up the goalie situation royally. It's only going to end with Luongo or Schneider going for far less than what Vancouver fans seem to think they're worth. You'd better hope somebody panics before the Capocolypse that awaits you this summer. I can tell you one thing, it isn't going to end with you guys getting a top young forward, a serviceable top 6 forward, a decent young goaltender and still managing to get rid of Ballard.

Fro 02-04-2013 05:23 PM

exactly what Samkow said...

Christina Woloski 02-04-2013 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EspenK (Post 59038141)
Proposal:

Schneider to Jackets for nothing

Response : NFW- What has he ever done. He never won a Cup. he had a bad game or two to start the season-proof he sucks.

I do think the price of Joey is a bit high but I'd trade Bob, Dubi & someone else for Schneider but you aren't going to get a lot of positive responses here. Goalies (even guys with Schneiders stats) are not something most fans here are willing to trade for.

And btw, nice goalie fiasco you have going on in Vancouver.


BTW - Schneider had one bad game and his others has look excellent.

Every reference to him not playing well goes to show the lack of knowledge around here. Schneider has played well, Lu has been insane. Both better than what you got.

Back to the trade:

To CLB:
Cory Schneider
Keith Ballard
2nd rounder

for

To Van:
Brandon Dubinsky
Sergei Bobrovsky
Ryan Johansen

Remove Dubinsky and the 2nd rounder.

Christina Woloski 02-04-2013 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samkow (Post 59039537)
You mean that world class goalies that the Nucks fans and media trashed/couldn't wait to unload until about 10 days ago?

Gillis screwed up the goalie situation royally. It's only going to end with Luongo or Schneider going for far less than what Vancouver fans seem to think they're worth. You'd better hope somebody panics before the Capocolypse that awaits you this summer. I can tell you one thing, it isn't going to end with you guys getting a top young forward, a serviceable top 6 forward, a decent young goaltender and still managing to get rid of Ballard.


The consensus for the media and Canuck fans is that we'd be fine with either Cory or Luongo. Luongo was the one that stated he'd be okay if he was traded.

It's not a screw up by having a goalie come through your system and turn out to be good. That's a good problem to have. It's not a fiasco, it wasn't a screw up, it's not a bad thing and the worst that comes from it is it de-values the player by a marginal amount.

The vast majority of Canucks fans do not expect top young forward, serviceable top 6 forward a decent young goalie and getting to toss a player that's overpaid.

If it's Schneider moving, one would expect the same talent coming back just in a different position. And if it's a prospect you're talking about, a bit higher potential would have to be there.

OldGoaltender 02-04-2013 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LetsBeReality (Post 59041357)
The consensus for the media and Canuck fans is that we'd be fine with either Cory or Luongo. Luongo was the one that stated he'd be okay if he was traded.

It's not a screw up by having a goalie come through your system and turn out to be good. That's a good problem to have. It's not a fiasco, it wasn't a screw up, it's not a bad thing and the worst that comes from it is it de-values the player by a marginal amount.

The vast majority of Canucks fans do not expect top young forward, serviceable top 6 forward a decent young goalie and getting to toss a player that's overpaid.

If it's Schneider moving, one would expect the same talent coming back just in a different position. And if it's a prospect you're talking about, a bit higher potential would have to be there.

Let me get this straight. You want to take one of our top young guys for a goalie who I think could be great, but might not be, plus our best goalie right now who has shown as much as the goalie you are offering? Plus you want the guy who was one of the center pieces to the Nash trade.

1857 Howitzer 02-04-2013 05:50 PM

NM post got messed up durning my own editing and mod editing.

SuperGenius 02-04-2013 05:51 PM

http://www.prometeogallery.com/wp-co...UR-800x575.jpg

I suppose I'll never understand the "trade post", particularly from guests. It almost always turns out to be some offer to give us something we're not asking for for players we aren't offering, and yet we're morons if we disagree. Meh.

EDM 02-04-2013 05:55 PM

Wow is that a bad idea.

CBJfan4evr 02-04-2013 06:37 PM

That ship has sailed. We need snipers not goalies

BlueJacket2 02-04-2013 06:45 PM

None of those players listed will be moving anywhere. Especially RyJo.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...66mJbCFBjgO0lw

Seedtype 02-04-2013 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbjfan4evr (Post 59044471)
that ship has sailed. We need snipers not goalies

This.

EspenK 02-04-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LetsBeReality (Post 59040981)
BTW - Schneider had one bad game and his others has look excellent.

Every reference to him not playing well goes to show the lack of knowledge around here. Schneider has played well, Lu has been insane. Both better than what you got.

Back to the trade:

To CLB:
Cory Schneider
Keith Ballard
2nd rounder

for

To Van:
Brandon Dubinsky
Sergei Bobrovsky
Ryan Johansen

Remove Dubinsky and the 2nd rounder.

The goalie fiasco I was referring to is your team apparently annointed Schneider the #1 guy; then after one bad game or so Luongo gets inserted and appears now to be #1 again. So if he keeps playing well it'll be hard to trade away your #1 and in the meantime Schneider's value will have diminished because he will now be seen as a guy who couldn't hold the #1 spot. Meanwhile Lack is in the minors. Throw in the cap problems lurking and that is a fiasco. At least to us uninformed Blue Jacket fans.

blahblah 02-04-2013 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris11inter (Post 59036071)
Would do you think Blue Jacket Fans....

To CLB:
Cory Schneider
Keith Ballard
2nd rounder

for

To Van:
Brandon Dubinsky
Sergei Bobrovsky
Ryan Johansen

What kind of absolutely garbage proposal is this pile of crap? I can't believe you even typed it with a straight face, therefore I'll just chalk this up to you yanking our chains. If I was the GM and you proposed this, I would lose your cell phone number. Perhaps forever. It is that insulting.

blahblah 02-04-2013 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viqsi (Post 59038043)
Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable.

This is worse than all the Rick Nash offers combined.

Mayor Bee 02-04-2013 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blahblah (Post 59049119)
What kind of absolutely garbage proposal is this pile of crap? I can't believe you even typed it with a straight face, therefore I'll just chalk this up to you yanking our chains. If I was the GM and you proposed this, I would lose your cell phone number. Perhaps forever. It is that insulting.

:clap:


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