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Boris Le Tigre 02-05-2013 11:51 AM

UFC Rankings (per Bloody Elbow)
 
Didn't see a thread on this so I made one...

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Last week Dana White announced that the UFC would be teaming up with FightMetric to begin official rankings of UFC fighters. The rankings went live for the first time Monday evening.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/2/5/...cial-first-mma

Here are the first group of rankings:

Pound for pound:

1. Anderson Silva
2. Jon Jones
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Jose Aldo
5. Ben Henderson
6. Cain Velasquez
7. Dominick Cruz
8. Demetrious Johnson
9. Frankie Edgar
10. Dan Henderson

Flyweight:

Champ: Demetrious Johnson
1. Joseph Benavidez
2. John Dodson
3. Ian McCall
4. John Moraga
5. Jussier da Silva
6. Louis Gaudinot
7. Chris Cariaso
8. John Lineker
9. Darren Uyenoyama
10. Ulysses Gomez

Bantamweight:

Champ: Dominick Cruz
1. Renan Barao (Interim Champ)
2. Michael McDonald
3. Urijah Faber
4. Eddie Wineland
5. Brad Pickett
6. Brian Bowles
7. Rafael Assuncao
8. Scott Jorgensen
9. Mike Easton
10. Ivan Menjivar

Featherweight:

Champ: Jose Aldo
1. Chad Mendes
2. Ricardo Lamas
3. Chan Sung Jung
4. Frankie Edgar
5. Dennis Siver
6. Cub Swanson
7. Dustin Poirier
8. Nik Lentz
9. Erik Koch
10. Clay Guida

Lightweight:

Champ: Ben Henderson
1. Gilbert Melendez
2. Anthony Pettis
3. Gray Maynard
4. Nate Diaz
5. Jim Miller
6. Donald Cerrone
7. T.J. Grant
8. Rafael dos Anjos
9. Joe Lauzon
10. Khabib Nurmagomedov

Welterweight:

Champ: Georges St. Pierre
1. Johny Hendricks
2. Carlos Condit
3. Nick Diaz
4. Rory MacDonald
5. Demian Maia
6. Jake Ellenberger
7. Martin Kampmann
8. Josh Koscheck
9. Jon Fitch
10. Tarec Saffiedine

Middleweight:

Champ: Anderson Silva
1. Chris Weidman
2. Vitor Belfort
3. Michael Bisping
4. Yushin Okami
5. Mark Munoz
6. Constantinos Philippou
7. Luke Rockhold
8. Hector Lombard
9. Alan Belcher
10. Tim Boetsch

Light Heavyweight:

Champ: Jon Jones
1. Dan Henderson
2. Lyoto Machida
3. Alexander Gustafsson
4. Glover Teixeira
5. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
6. Rashad Evans
7. Mauricio Rua
8. Phil Davis
9. Ryan Bader
10. Gegard Mousasi

Heavyweight:

Champ: Cain Velasquez
1. Junior dos Santos
2. Fabricio Werdum
3. Daniel Cormier
4. Antonio Silva
5. Frank Mir
6. Alistair Overeem
7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
8. Roy Nelson
9. Stefan Struve
10. Shane Carwin

jw2 02-05-2013 12:48 PM

Rashad took a significant tumble.
Shocked they have Werdum ahead of Cormier, but I like it.

MurrayBannerman 02-05-2013 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jw2 (Post 59092995)
Rashad took a significant tumble.
Shocked they have Werdum ahead of Cormier, but I like it.

Better quality of competition in their past two fights. Cormier just got done can crushing and crushing Barnett :laugh:

m9 02-05-2013 02:05 PM

Looks good to me.

The only one that looks kind of off is Featherweight. Edgar hasn't even won a fight in the division yet, while Guida did. I would slide Guida into the spot right behind Edgar.

Boris Le Tigre 02-05-2013 05:09 PM

I could see including Vitor in the P4P list ...maybe Barao as well, although he does have a short (but impressive) resume.

MurrayBannerman 02-05-2013 06:31 PM

Moraga will be the Fly champ soon enough.

m9 02-05-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Boris Le Tigre (Post 59105937)
I could see including Vitor in the P4P list ...maybe Barao as well, although he does have a short (but impressive) resume.

I don't think Frankie should be on the p4p list right now. There are about 5 guys that could be ahead of him.

LEAFANFORLIFE23 02-05-2013 09:24 PM

he also said UFC will make the fights they want which is great but if they do that whats the point of the rankings ?

m9 02-05-2013 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LEAFANFORLIFE23 (Post 59136571)
he also said UFC will make the fights they want which is great but if they do that whats the point of the rankings ?

Gives the fans something to talk about. Gives the UFC another way to market fights. Gives the fighters a good negotiating tool.

kurt 02-06-2013 12:34 AM

The purpose is certainly not to give the fighters a negotiating tool. It may help in that process, but that's certainly not the intent of it. Zuffa could always tell fighters it's about their draw/hype, not their rank anyway.

My take:

1) It allows them to promote fights better, indicating who challengers are to casual fans.
2) It gives people something to talk about.
3) It helps counteract published top-10 rankings from other publications, which include fighters with other promotions.

BGDDYKWL 02-06-2013 01:44 AM

Was having this discussion on Sherdog (most did not agree with me. Lol). Apparently Sherdog still had Rashad ranked ahead of Nog, and I agree with that. Rankings for me personally are basically a list of which guys would beat who, and that is largely based on their last handful of fights. Now sure Nog took a (uneventful) decision from Rashad, but over their past few fights, both beat Tito, Rashad went to a decision with Jones (and looked better than most against him), lost to Machida, and beat Thiago Silva, Rampage, and Phil Davis. Nog lost to Davis, and lost to Bader, then barely beat Brilz, beat Cane, and took a decision from Rashad. The weight of Nog beating Rashad doesn't outweigh Rashad's far superior resume. Not to mention Rashad would be the favorite in a rematch, which also factors into the ranking IMO.

m9 02-06-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kurt (Post 59148981)
The purpose is certainly not to give the fighters a negotiating tool. It may help in that process, but that's certainly not the intent of it. Zuffa could always tell fighters it's about their draw/hype, not their rank anyway.

My take:

1) It allows them to promote fights better, indicating who challengers are to casual fans.
2) It gives people something to talk about.
3) It helps counteract published top-10 rankings from other publications, which include fighters with other promotions.

Regardless of the intent, it definitely is a negotiating tool for fighters. It's one of the reasons the UFC took so long to institute this program.

Boris Le Tigre 02-06-2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by m9 (Post 59112715)
I don't think Frankie should be on the p4p list right now. There are about 5 guys that could be ahead of him.

Yeah... he is a likable fighter, no doubt, but he has not managed to win in 4 out of his last 5 bouts.

RJ8812 02-06-2013 09:54 AM

I don't understand the hype behind Edgar. How can he be in the top 10 p4p rankings when he's lost what, 4 of his last 5?

m9 02-06-2013 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RJ8812 (Post 59157713)
I don't understand the hype behind Edgar. How can he be in the top 10 p4p rankings when he's lost what, 4 of his last 5?

He's 1-3-1 in his last 5 I believe. He arguably beat Henderson but you can't award P4P spots based on that, it has to be off actual results. His losses were against guys ahead of him, at least.

He should be a top 15-20 guy, IMO. There is no way he should be ahead of JDS, probably Renan Barao, maybe Johnny Hendricks, Sonnen is probably at least equal..

I don't know, I guess they it's pretty close. I'll just always go with the guy wining fights as opposed to the guy who has won 1/5 fights.

I Am Beat You 02-06-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BGDDYKWL (Post 59150439)
Was having this discussion on Sherdog (most did not agree with me. Lol). Apparently Sherdog still had Rashad ranked ahead of Nog, and I agree with that. Rankings for me personally are basically a list of which guys would beat who, and that is largely based on their last handful of fights. Now sure Nog took a (uneventful) decision from Rashad, but over their past few fights, both beat Tito, Rashad went to a decision with Jones (and looked better than most against him), lost to Machida, and beat Thiago Silva, Rampage, and Phil Davis. Nog lost to Davis, and lost to Bader, then barely beat Brilz, beat Cane, and took a decision from Rashad. The weight of Nog beating Rashad doesn't outweigh Rashad's far superior resume. Not to mention Rashad would be the favorite in a rematch, which also factors into the ranking IMO.

I'm with you. The better fighter should be ranked above. Upsets happen.

MurrayBannerman 02-06-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BGDDYKWL (Post 59150439)
Was having this discussion on Sherdog (most did not agree with me. Lol). Apparently Sherdog still had Rashad ranked ahead of Nog, and I agree with that. Rankings for me personally are basically a list of which guys would beat who, and that is largely based on their last handful of fights. Now sure Nog took a (uneventful) decision from Rashad, but over their past few fights, both beat Tito, Rashad went to a decision with Jones (and looked better than most against him), lost to Machida, and beat Thiago Silva, Rampage, and Phil Davis. Nog lost to Davis, and lost to Bader, then barely beat Brilz, beat Cane, and took a decision from Rashad. The weight of Nog beating Rashad doesn't outweigh Rashad's far superior resume. Not to mention Rashad would be the favorite in a rematch, which also factors into the ranking IMO.

Been avoiding it until my dubs expire. lol

yakitate304 02-06-2013 06:14 PM

Personally, I think Cruz should be higher in the P4P list than Benson, and definitely higher than Cain.

You could make the case that Henderson shouldn't have the title at all given the somewhat controversial decision against Edgar. On top of that, he still has a recent and unavenged loss out there in Pettis. He looked incredible against Diaz and very good against Guida (who makes it tough for anyone to look good since he's such a boring piece of **** against anyone he can outwrestle). I get that he has fought 3 times (Diaz, Edgar, Edgar) in the time since Cruz last fought, but I don't know if that trumps Cruz's list of wins.

Cruz avenged his only "recent" loss when he beat Faber. He's taken out Mighty Mouse (a current UFC champ), Faber (former WEC champ), Bowles (to win the WEC championship from a guy who had just KO'd the top 5 P4P Miguel Torres), Benevidez x2, and humiliated Jorgenson. Injuries have kept him out of action, which hurts his stock I suppose, but GSP was still recognized near the top during his lengthy absence.


Just my opinion, of course, and P4P never really means much. I just think he should be top 5 P4P.

End of Line 02-06-2013 08:07 PM

When it comes to a P4P list, here's mine.

1. Anderson Silva
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Jon Jones
4. Jose Aldo
5. Dominick Cruz
6. Benson Henderson
7. Dan Henderson
8. Cain Velasquez
9. Gilbert Melendez
10. Demetrious Johnson

Bird Law 02-06-2013 09:34 PM

Cruz shouldn't even be in the P4P until he proves that he can still fight.

MurrayBannerman 02-06-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan. (Post 59198091)
Cruz shouldn't even be in the P4P until he proves that he can still fight.

General protocol is that fighters are given a year of inactivity before they're taken off lists. Writers never actually do it though.

Spawn 02-06-2013 09:41 PM

Carwin hasn't fought in 1.5 years, has lost his last 2 fights and because of those loses/injuries hasn't won a fight in nearly 3 years. I'm not sure he belongs on that heavy weight list, even if it is at 10.

MurrayBannerman 02-06-2013 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spawn (Post 59198657)
Carwin hasn't fought in 1.5 years, has lost his last 2 fights and because of those loses/injuries hasn't won a fight in nearly 3 years. I'm not sure he belongs on that heavy weight list, even if it is at 10.

Definitely agree with that.

Bird Law 02-06-2013 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spawn (Post 59198657)
Carwin hasn't fought in 1.5 years, has lost his last 2 fights and because of those loses/injuries hasn't won a fight in nearly 3 years. I'm not sure he belongs on that heavy weight list, even if it is at 10.

Neither he nor Cruz belong in any list. Cruz only belongs as being listed as the champ.

MurrayBannerman 02-06-2013 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan. (Post 59199711)
Neither he nor Cruz belong in any list. Cruz only belongs as being listed as the champ.

No one has the balls to take them off. GSP passed the year mark of inactivity and stayed on lists.


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