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RECsGuy* 02-05-2013 01:57 PM

Halak: 229 minutes, 2 shutouts.........0.889 SV%
 
That stat line is hilarious.

Another reason shutouts (and wins) are meaningless goalie stats.

sh724 02-05-2013 02:03 PM

When you only face 15 shots a game it is hard to have a high save %.

Fire Lindy 02-05-2013 02:03 PM

More like shutouts on STL don't matter, their goalies can get a 10 save shutout on the reg

Barney Gumble 02-05-2013 02:05 PM

Tough to draw any meaningful conclusions regarding goalie stats on such a small sample size (5 games).

I Hate Chris Butler 02-05-2013 02:06 PM

The Blues are dominant. Halak is facing less than 20 shots a game.

Dellstrom 02-05-2013 02:06 PM

Whenever Halak faces a shot it's probably a good one, since the Blues block close to everything, if they even allow the other team into their zone...

CoopALoop 02-05-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ag925 (Post 59096583)
That stat line is hilarious.

Another reason shutouts (and wins) are meaningless goalie stats.

72 shots against in 5 games.

That's an average of 14.4 shots per game. It's tough to have a high SV% when you're facing almost 0 shots.

This thread is hilarious and ill-informed.

Paranoid Android 02-05-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ag925 (Post 59096583)
That stat line is hilarious.

Another reason shutouts (and wins) are meaningless goalie stats.

It's also another reason why save percentage is essentially meaningless. Obviously not as meaningless as W and SO, but still doesn't hold much value.

All the standard goalie stats should be taken with context.

coldsteelonice84 02-05-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Paranoid Android (Post 59097207)
It's also another reason why save percentage is essentially meaningless. Obviously not as meaningless as W and SO, but still doesn't hold much value.

No, Save percentage means everything. You can look a little deeper to see how many shots the guy is facing and most people do in order to get a fully accurate read on the goalie. Watching the games helps too so you can see how the team defends in front of him. Context matters but the stat is still the best way we have to evaluate goalies.

frostyflo 02-05-2013 02:15 PM

nothing new Halak plays better under pressure
shoot 15 times at him and you gonna get a 'normal' ne and a soft one
shoot 50 times and you still get a normal one and have to grind the 2nd one in



i guess if you put him into, per example, the Leafs net he maybe wouldn't have 2 SOs but a much higher SV%

and 2 shutouts, no matter how much shots he got, is not bad especially since we can consider him as a guy who starts slow into a new season

MattyMo35 02-05-2013 02:20 PM

Such a small sample size. At this point in the season, none of the goalie stats are the least bit reliable. He's come out early in 2 of his games, one for injury, the other to turn momentum. Wait until the end of the season, and his numbers will be similar to where they were last year.

frostyflo 02-05-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by coldsteelonice84 (Post 59097291)
No, Save percentage means everything. You can look a little deeper to see how many shots the guy is facing and most people do in order to get a fully accurate read on the goalie. Watching the games helps too so you can see how the team defends in front of him. Context matters but the stat is still the best way we have to evaluate goalies.

don't say you are wrong but its not the whole truth. 15 saves on Jason Blake shots directly on your chest make your SV% look better than 5 high quality shots from a sniper. I still agree with your last sentence. and watching the games makes you know more for sure but is not very helpful for stats

Bruv 02-05-2013 02:21 PM

off to a slow start big deal.

When Halak's right, he's a top 5-7 goalie in the league

Shockmaster 02-05-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ag925 (Post 59096583)
That stat line is hilarious.

Another reason shutouts (and wins) are meaningless goalie stats.

The fans who just look at box scores or have fantasy leagues will never understand this. A goalie's stats can reflect the way his team plays in front of him just as much as they can reflect him. Goalies who play on firewagon teams are going to have worse stats than goalies who are on teams that play traps.

Bruv 02-05-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by frostyflo (Post 59097455)
nothing new Halak plays better under pressure
shoot 15 times at him and you gonna get a 'normal' ne and a soft one
shoot 50 times and you still get a normal one and have to grind the 2nd one in



i guess if you put him into, per example, the Leafs net he maybe wouldn't have 2 SOs but a much higher SV%

and 2 shutouts, no matter how much shots he got, is not bad especially since we can consider him as a guy who starts slow into a new season

Which is why I think the Blues D should let more shots get to Halak

DL44 02-05-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ag925 (Post 59096583)
That stat line is hilarious.

Another reason shutouts (and wins) are meaningless goalie stats.

It actually kinda suggests that Sv% is the meaningless stat here..

Analyzer 02-05-2013 02:28 PM

Like most goalies, Halak performs better when he's facing a lot of shots.

bewbies 02-05-2013 02:30 PM

Halak (and Elliot) do what the Blues need them to do most of the time, which is to take smart angles, stop the first shot, and make the occasional big save. I don't think that either one would be particularly great outside of STL, nor do I think some very good goalies (who thrive on a high workload) would be great fits in STL.

Evincar 02-05-2013 02:31 PM

He's the new Brodeur.

Bruv 02-05-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bewbies (Post 59098169)
Halak (and Elliot) do what the Blues need them to do most of the time, which is to take smart angles, stop the first shot, and make the occasional big save. I don't think that either one would be particularly great outside of STL, nor do I think some very good goalies (who thrive on a high workload) would be great fits in STL.

Halak would be fine if he played somewhere else than the Blues because he plays much better when he sees more shots

Shockmaster 02-05-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Analyzer (Post 59098083)
Like most goalies, Halak performs better when he's facing a lot of shots.

That also brings up another point. Quality of shots faced could be more important than quantity. If the guys in front of the goalie keep giving up big scoring opportunities, then it won't take many shots to score a lot of goals. On the other hand, if the team plays very tight around the goalie, he could have a 40 save shutout, but the majority of those shots could be garbage shots that didn't have a chance of going in.

BlueDream 02-05-2013 02:51 PM

That's because he's a completely average goalie playing behind a fantastic team.

Burke the Legend 02-05-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cudi (Post 59097789)
off to a slow start big deal.

When Halak's right, he's a top 5-7 goalie in the league

no he isn't... he has always been kind of a mediocre goalie with some weaknesses (5-hole, juicy rebounds), who has had the ability to sometimes get into red-hot mental zones where his focus is crazy good.

Even during his hero playoff run with Montreal the wheels came off in the conf final when he flopped out of this razor edge zone he was in for the previous 2 series.

So yeah maybe he can be top 5, when he is playing his absolute, unbeatable best, but when you get this Halak is impossible to predict which makes him somewhat less than a top 5 goalie. He is kind of like Anderson in that regards, although Anderson is hot more frequently.

tdadanny 02-05-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDream (Post 59099201)
That's because he's a completely average goalie playing behind a fantastic team.

That's it, really nothing else to say. The Blues fans who think he's a top 5 goalie are just biased and misinformed.

Two shutouts in 5 games is pretty terrible... :shakehead

There are better teams than the Blues so far this year, and their goalies don't have 2 shutouts.

vippe 02-05-2013 03:10 PM

It looks fun for sure. But that stat line would probably happen to a lot of goalies on the Blues. They are still the team that has impressed me the most this year.


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