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marty111 02-05-2013 02:29 PM

Leafs - Flyers
 
Just bored, not an overreaction trade proposal, pure spitballing...

:leafs
F - Sean Couturier
F - Matt Read

:flyers
D - Dion Phaneuf*
F - Tyler Bozak
Conditional 2nd Round Pick*

*Maple Leafs retain 4.5M of Dion Phaneuf's cap hit.
*3rd Round Pick if Tyler Bozak resigns.

Coconut Head 02-05-2013 02:32 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can only retain half of a player's salary, and phaneuf definitely doesn't make 9 mil/year

Drew311 02-05-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pouncebounce (Post 59098277)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can only retain half of a player's salary, and phaneuf definitely doesn't make 9 mil/year

You're wrong. You can retain UP TO half of a players salary.

Prongo 02-05-2013 02:36 PM

Flyers say no. Couts potential is higher than what Bozak provides right now. Even though he is in a sophomore slump. Dion Phaneuf is not the answer to our defensive problems, he would just hurt us more.

Coconut Head 02-05-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew311 (Post 59098447)
You're wrong. You can retain UP TO half of a players salary.

Phaneuf's cap hit is 6.5 mil. Leafs can't retain more than 3.25 if that's true

Savvy 02-05-2013 02:43 PM

Flyers get screwed

Bozak is a highly overrated and ineffective player who brings 1 real strong element with him being his faceoffs. Despite what most Leafs fans will tell you about him he's not good defensively. Lazy on the backcheck and has trouble working along the boards.

Money isn't a big enough concern in Philly to make up the large gap in value in the proposal even if it was possible

Dion Phaneuf has once again shown to be larely ineffective at times this season. He'll have a couple of games where he's committed to playing the game the right way with a real effort and then come back with good chunk of stinkers where he's afraid of contact.

flyershockey 02-05-2013 02:45 PM

Not close. It doesn't address the Flyer's needs and it cripples their offense, especially with Simmonds and Hartnell out. The value is off as well.

PuqTalk 02-05-2013 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy (Post 59098839)
Flyers get screwed

Bozak is a highly overrated and ineffective player who brings 1 real strong element with him being his faceoffs. Despite what most Leafs fans will tell you about him he's not good defensively. Lazy on the backcheck and has trouble working along the boards.

Money isn't a big enough concern in Philly to make up the large gap in value in the proposal even if it was possible

Dion Phaneuf has once again shown to be larely ineffective at times this season. He'll have a couple of games where he's committed to playing the game the right way with a real effort and then come back with good chunk of stinkers where he's afraid of contact.

You... I like you.

Phion Keneuf 02-05-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by flyershockey (Post 59098933)
Not close. It doesn't address the Flyer's needs and it cripples their offense, especially with Simmonds and Hartnell out. The value is off as well.

Ya .. The flyers don't need defense men or anything

Prongo 02-05-2013 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 59099125)
Ya .. The flyers don't need defense men or anything

We do, but not Dion Phaneuf.

Phion Keneuf 02-05-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prongo (Post 59099179)
We do, but not Dion Phaneuf.

Ah just like how Luke Schenn apparently was a pylon and sucked and now he's on your top pairing. Gotchya

Prongo 02-05-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 59099253)
Ah just like how Luke Schenn apparently was a pylon and sucked and now he's on your top pairing. Gotchya

You love to reply with sarcasm don't you.

No we don't need him at the expense of our top prospect/young roster player, and our second line winger.

If the Flyers are wasting 6.5 million dollars on a defender(even with the proposed salary relief from Toronto) we have better options other than Phaneuf. I would rather have Bouw from Calgary then Dion. Would cost much less. I don't think Phanuef gets that type of package anyway.

Also just because one player comes in and turns it around in our system, does that mean every player will??

Phion Keneuf 02-05-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Prongo (Post 59099395)
You love to reply with sarcasm don't you.

No we don't need him at the expense of our top prospect/young roster player, and our second line winger.

If the Flyers are wasting 6.5 million dollars on a defender(even with the proposed salary relief from Toronto) we have better options other than Phaneuf. I would rather have Bouw from Calgary then Dion. Would cost much less. I don't think Phanuef gets that type of package anyway.

Also just because one player comes in and turns it around in our system, does that mean every player will??

I wasn't commenting on the trade. I was commenting on the post that stated it did not address the Flyers needs.

And yes. I am very sarcastic

Savvy 02-05-2013 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prongo (Post 59099395)
You love to reply with sarcasm don't you.

No we don't need him at the expense of our top prospect/young roster player, and our second line winger.

If the Flyers are wasting 6.5 million dollars on a defender(even with the proposed salary relief from Toronto) we have better options other than Phaneuf. I would rather have Bouw from Calgary then Dion. Would cost much less. I don't think Phanuef gets that type of package anyway.

Also just because one player comes in and turns it around in our system, does that mean every player will??

I wouldn't say Luke Schenn has "turned it around" per say in Philadelphia. He's been adequate in the games I've watched but he's still be prone to some of the same mistakes he made in Toronto. Luke Schenn year one is still arguably the best year he's had in the league, still lots of time to change that this year though. It's fairly obvious though that he's getting the proper guidance in Philadelphia, something he wasn't getting in Toronto under Wilson.

I agree with Phaneuf not getting top value, I think that's fairly obvious at this point. I do believe you could find a team willing to overpay in a bidding war just because he is one of those players who clearly doesn't struggle because of lack of talent. He's one of those frustrating players not willing to give 100% of himself every game and it shows in a lot of puck battles. I thoroughly love watching Leafs hockey when the opposing team dumps it in his corner all night long as Phaneuf has one of his days off and lets up despite the fact he's clearly capable of winning the battle just to avoid the contact. I'm sure some people will blame it on the lack of out but he's had it all season long, the wingers are actually collapsing properly this season and Kostka has been good for the most part in his own zone all season. Maybe some people will try to say it's a smart play to avoid the contact so he's fresh enough to play his 27 minutes a game but I would say if he can't take a shot along the boards to make a play without gassing he's not a 27 minute a night guy. Even still, the talent is obvious and man is a frustrating to watch. I think I'd rather watch someone who is actually just a bad player at this point, I'd just be less frustrated as someone who player defence for a long time.

I would still guess a 1st and a strong prospect at this point for Phaneuf. I just have trouble seeing someone adding the strong younger roster player that comes along with these types of deals usually.

Zubrus Coffee Maker 02-05-2013 03:11 PM

Bozak is a really underrated player for how much he gets talked about by leafs fans. He may not have an electrifying skillset or top notch skills but he's always involved in the play and has excellent positioning. I'd take him on the Devils any day. That said this deal is bogus for the Flyers, no way they'd do that

flyershockey 02-05-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 59099727)
I wasn't commenting on the trade. I was commenting on the post that stated it did not address the Flyers needs.

And yes. I am very sarcastic

And how does getting Phaneuf solve our needs? We need a number one defenseman who can replace what we lost in Pronger. Phaneuf isn't a terrible player, but he's overpaid for what he brings to the table. Even Leaf fans criticize him for not being ready to play every night.

Savvy 02-05-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zubrus Coffee Maker (Post 59100317)
Bozak is a really underrated player for how much he gets talked about by leafs fans. He may not have an electrifying skillset or top notch skills but he's always involved in the play and has excellent positioning. I'd take him on the Devils any day. That said this deal is bogus for the Flyers, no way they'd do that

As a 3rd line center Bozak fits in the league pretty much anywhere just fine.

As far as I can tell most Leafs fans on this board still expect him to be a 50 point guy and pretty consistently bring up the fact he's a defensive specialist. I really don't see how you can classify that as underrated by people here unless you expect more.

Hennig 02-05-2013 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savvy (Post 59098839)
Flyers get screwed

Bozak is a highly overrated and ineffective player who brings 1 real strong element with him being his faceoffs. Despite what most Leafs fans will tell you about him he's not good defensively. Lazy on the backcheck and has trouble working along the boards.

Money isn't a big enough concern in Philly to make up the large gap in value in the proposal even if it was possible

Dion Phaneuf has once again shown to be larely ineffective at times this season. He'll have a couple of games where he's committed to playing the game the right way with a real effort and then come back with good chunk of stinkers where he's afraid of contact.

Bozak is overrated now?
Ok so I've heard:
Kessel
Phaneuf
Gardiner
Kulemin
Grabovski
Gunnarsson
Rielly
Kadri
And now Bozak


Can we just cut this out and say that all leafs: past, present, and future are overrated?

Don't kid yourselves flyer fans, Phaneuf would be your best active defenseman. Although I can understand flyers not wanting to make this deal, as Couts is a definite keeper. But saying Phaneuf would make your D-core worse is laughable at best.

Brewsky 02-05-2013 03:31 PM

Hm, if I had to give up something let's do this Philly:

TOR: Couturier, Simmonds.
PHI: Phaneuf, Frattin, Gunnarsson.

Phion Keneuf 02-05-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brewsky (Post 59101415)
Hm, if I had to give up something let's do this Philly:

TOR: Couturier, Simmonds.
PHI: Phaneuf, Frattin, Gunnarsson.

Great idea.

Trade our 2 best Dmen + our best goal scorer right now.

Savvy 02-05-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hennig (Post 59100921)
Bozak is overrated now?
Ok so I've heard:
Kessel
Phaneuf
Gardiner
Kulemin
Grabovski
Gunnarsson
Rielly
Kadri
And now Bozak


Can we just cut this out and say that all leafs: past, present, and future are overrated?

Don't kid yourselves flyer fans, Phaneuf would be your best active defenseman. Although I can understand flyers not wanting to make this deal, as Couts is a definite keeper. But saying Phaneuf would make your D-core worse is laughable at best.

I'm a Leafs fan by the way...

Only player you've listed I would say is overrated is Bozak himself. I would put Phaneuf is more of a frustrating player to watch category...

Yes lots of people on these boards crap on Leafs players needlessly and sometimes ridiculously but it's easy to ignore if you know they're being ridiculous from start and often doing it for a reaction more then anything. You watch them belittle players like Kadri for ridiculous reasons like he's not full time in the league at the age of 21 and then you simply chuckle to yourself down the road. Did the same thing with Grabovski and I'll do the same with Rielly.

Philadelphia Ducks 02-05-2013 03:41 PM

We don't need a dman as bad as people seem to think, especially at the cost of one our youngsters up front. Offense has been our biggest issue this year so we aren't going to trade any of our assets up there. Outside Giroux, Couturier is probably our most prized possession, to me, he is practically untouchable.

While I do like Dion, I don't like him enough to trade for him. When/if he hits free agency, I'd love for the Flyers to put an offer out for him.

HighOFFHockey 02-05-2013 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hennig (Post 59100921)
Bozak is overrated now?
Ok so I've heard:
Kessel
Phaneuf
Gardiner
Kulemin
Grabovski
Gunnarsson
Rielly
Kadri
And now Bozak


Can we just cut this out and say that all leafs: past, present, and future are overrated?

Don't kid yourselves flyer fans, Phaneuf would be your best active defenseman. Although I can understand flyers not wanting to make this deal, as Couts is a definite keeper. But saying Phaneuf would make your D-core worse is laughable at best.

I definitely don't agree with the rip on players lowering their value. The fact is right now Couturier is untouchable (Evidence = every trade rumor on here involves a fan from another team trying to get him)

I actually believe phanuef is exactly what this team needs, or something of his caliber, but The flyers say no. Again if they wouldnt trade couturier for Weber then I don't see him being moved for anyone of less value. (ie a package for Stamkos, Ovie, Crosby, Malkin) Not saying hes worth it or that it will ever happen. I'm just saying that would be a reason to move him.

Similar to how The oilers won't move any of their top-tier youth. Everyone knows its a mistake. Its a salary cap game now.

FlyingHigh28* 02-05-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 59099125)
Ya .. The flyers don't need defense men or anything

Calling Phaneuf a "defenseman" is rather generous. Because when I watch him on the Leafs, he's generally being a pylon defensively. The offense is still there on occasion, but he's not the guy for the Flyers.

Also, I'd take Timonen or Coburn over him right now. Especially when you bring the cap hits into it.

Wizeman* 02-05-2013 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty111 (Post 59098135)
Just bored, not an overreaction trade proposal, pure spitballing...

:leafs
F - Sean Couturier
F - Matt Read

:flyers
D - Dion Phaneuf*
F - Tyler Bozak
Conditional 2nd Round Pick*

*Maple Leafs retain 4.5M of Dion Phaneuf's cap hit.
*3rd Round Pick if Tyler Bozak resigns.

Flyers counter offer

To Philly

Kadri

Gunnarson

Reilly

To Toronto

Briere

Scott Hartnell

Kimmo Timonen.


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