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Rumblick 02-09-2013 09:30 AM

Houston to Des Moines ?? Or Sioux Falls, SD? UPD: Iowa Wild approved
 
Saw a post on Facebook saying there'd be AHL hockey in Iowa next season, then asking if Houston would have any pro hockey at all. Anyone know an official link to info on this, or has anyone heard anything?

CrazyEddie20 02-09-2013 09:41 AM

Highly, highly doubtful.

I wouldn't believe any fan rumor posted on facebook.

PCSPounder 02-09-2013 12:05 PM

http://blog.chron.com/hockeystop/201...os-in-houston/

Understand... a newspaper headline is designed to catch eyeballs more than essence, and as print continues to die (or evolve, hopefully), I'd expect stories like this. All they're saying is, despite it being three months before a lease normally gets renewed, it's not renewed. There's no reasons given as to why renewal may not happen.

Just recall the "where there's smoke there's fire" cliche. You still have to account for the possibility that this wasn't simply drama queen journalism.

adsfan 02-17-2013 06:40 PM

I haven't heard a thing about where the Aeros might move. Usually, word gets around the Midwest. Iowa does border on Wisconsin, but the news doesn't flow across the border much better than the two Koreas. Maybe Des Moines or KC.

Gearhead82 02-17-2013 08:51 PM

Two other AHL teams didn't last in Des Moines why go back? From what I've heard, The USHL's Buccaneers are first in hockey fans hearts there.

Emilie 02-19-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PCSPounder (Post 59346893)
http://blog.chron.com/hockeystop/201...os-in-houston/

Understand... a newspaper headline is designed to catch eyeballs more than essence, and as print continues to die (or evolve, hopefully), I'd expect stories like this. All they're saying is, despite it being three months before a lease normally gets renewed, it's not renewed. There's no reasons given as to why renewal may not happen.

Just recall the "where there's smoke there's fire" cliche. You still have to account for the possibility that this wasn't simply drama queen journalism.

Considering Heather is one of the very few reporters that has access to the Aeros and the team as a whole in Houston, the likelihood that it was "drama queen journalism" is slim to none.

HansH 02-19-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by scorps2012 (Post 59930949)
Two other AHL teams didn't last in Des Moines why go back? From what I've heard, The USHL's Buccaneers are first in hockey fans hearts there.

First of all, it was ONE AHL team that had its name change after an affiliation shuffle, not two teams (The I-Stars and the Chops are the same team, that is).

Second of all, the I-Stars/Chops were never the primary affiliate of the Wild, and that might bring more people to the arena than the Dallas or Anaheim prospects did.

Third, a different management team can do wonders in a market that was not well exploited by poor ownership previously.

None of this is to say that a Wild AHL team in Des Moines would be a slam dunk -- there is the real effect of the entrenched fan base for the Buccaneers, that's true -- but to dismiss it out of hand simply because the I-Stars/Chops were horridly managed is to way oversimplify the situation. I can see why such a potential shift might appeal to some in the Wild's management. Which isn't to say that I think anything is a done deal.

mk80 02-19-2013 12:24 PM

I know Houston has been mentioned for NHL expansion... nothing substantial just talk among fans. I think the only way they lose the AHL Aeros is if the Aeros name is used for a NHL franchise.

Des Moines I know is always mentioned as expansion for the CHL. Again just rumors, nothing substantial.

I wouldn't think the AHL will leave a market like Houston anytime soon. And if that were to happen, the CHL would be wise to move in :laugh:

aemoreira1981 02-19-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mkhockeygoalie (Post 60021973)
I know Houston has been mentioned for NHL expansion... nothing substantial just talk among fans. I think the only way they lose the AHL Aeros is if the Aeros name is used for a NHL franchise.

Des Moines I know is always mentioned as expansion for the CHL. Again just rumors, nothing substantial.

I wouldn't think the AHL will leave a market like Houston anytime soon. And if that were to happen, the CHL would be wise to move in :laugh:

That could be the solution to the Phoenix problem long-term; Houston is the largest city without an NHL team.

AceFace905 02-19-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aemoreira1981 (Post 60059869)
That could be the solution to the Phoenix problem long-term; Houston is the largest city without an NHL team.

Problem there is that the Rockets' lease with Toyota Center states that the only NHL team that can come in is one owned by the Rockets. So unless they suddenly get the urge to put a hockey team in there, it's not happening.

HansH 02-19-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AceFace905 (Post 60061203)
Problem there is that the Rockets' lease with Toyota Center states that the only NHL team that can come in is one owned by the Rockets. So unless they suddenly get the urge to put a hockey team in there, it's not happening.

Are we sure about that? I thought there could be a non-Rockets-owned team, but the lease terms would make it nearly impossible to make money -- so technically not the ONLY team that can come in... just the only way the team could be financially feasible.

I could be misremembering, however.

AceFace905 02-20-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HansH (Post 60076077)
Are we sure about that? I thought there could be a non-Rockets-owned team, but the lease terms would make it nearly impossible to make money -- so technically not the ONLY team that can come in... just the only way the team could be financially feasible.

I could be misremembering, however.

Nope, Les Alexander has exclusivity:
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[...]if the NHL were to settle in Houston with the Toyota Center as its home base, [Houston Sports Authority director Janis] Schmees said Rockets owner Les Alexander would own the team specific language was written in the Toyota Center lease saying as much. If another individual or group expressed a desire, another venue would have to be located or built.

Alexander, who has flirted with the possibility of NHL ownership on at least two occasions during the past decade, declined to comment.[...] According to Schmees, Alexander and Toyota Center are a package deal.

HansH 02-20-2013 12:12 PM

Thanks for the clarification.

smitty10 02-20-2013 12:21 PM

I hope this means that Houston will get an NHL team. Phoenix really isn't working and a team in Houston would keep the team in the south and Western Conference.

herbst20 02-20-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by scorps2012 (Post 59930949)
Two other AHL teams didn't last in Des Moines why go back? From what I've heard, The USHL's Buccaneers are first in hockey fans hearts there.

And they can't even pack the building.

LadyStanley 02-20-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty10 (Post 60099531)
I hope this means that Houston will get an NHL team. Phoenix really isn't working and a team in Houston would keep the team in the south and Western Conference.

Beyond the scope of this forum, but has been discussed on the Business of Hockey Forum as about #4 on the list of potential US locations for expansion/relocation (after Seattle/Portland, Kansas City).

FTR, Bettman has said there are two requirements to become a "NHL city". First, to have NHL-caliber arena (IOW, 17k+ seating, luxury boxes) and second, to have fiscally-able owner (net work of probably $500m+). It doesn't hurt to have few major league team competitors in town, nor major college draws, and lots of potential corporate sponsors.

CHRDANHUTCH 02-20-2013 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty10 (Post 60099531)
I hope this means that Houston will get an NHL team. Phoenix really isn't working and a team in Houston would keep the team in the south and Western Conference.

Alexander doesn't have the net worth he once had, either, to even pursue a bid, that's why Watson owns 20% of the Aeros, that the Wild aka MSE don't.

Aero 75 04-05-2013 04:46 PM

Finally, an update to confirm the Aeros are:

A) Moving to Des Moines, IA
B) Moving to Sioux Falls, SD
C) Moving to Peoria, Il
D) Maybe even staying in Houston, Tx

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairba...relocating.php

axecrew 04-05-2013 11:18 PM

Rum......if you'll check my post in the abbotsford to utica thread you'll see what i've herad. Be sure you check the date of my post to validate the post.

Cornwall OHL 04-06-2013 10:53 AM

Any chance that Abbotsford would move to Des Moines? Utica will have quite the up hill battle to be successful.

axecrew 04-06-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cornwall OHL (Post 63421253)
Any chance that Abbotsford would move to Des Moines? Utica will have quite the up hill battle to be successful.

Interesting question,but Id think that Minnesota would have the inside track on it simply by virtue of proximity to the parent club. If you think about it des moines is somewhat in the footprint of the Wild anyway. Its a very short trip from des moines to minneapolis.
And if that did happen(calgary going there) that still leaves the wild looking for a place to put their club. Not to mention calgary's act is getting very old with the 2 and gone everywhere they are.They've burned 2 different midwestern cities with this act and i'd think anyone else would be very leery of them coming in,especially des moines who lost a team due to the idiotic crap that Baldwin pulled when the Chops were there.

WiscMNwildfan 04-06-2013 08:53 PM

I would like to see the Houston Aeros move to Sioux Falls, Fargo, or Bismarck rather than Des Moines.

Jackets Woodchuck 04-06-2013 10:11 PM

Crazy thought, but would the Rockets be interested in owning an AHL team a la the Cavaliers and Spurs?

CHRDANHUTCH 04-06-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackets Woodchuck (Post 63473473)
Crazy thought, but would the Rockets be interested in owning an AHL team a la the Cavaliers and Spurs?

no, remember the premise about Alexander, JW.

Jackets Woodchuck 04-06-2013 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CHRDANHUTCH (Post 63474193)
no, remember the premise about Alexander, JW.

Good point. If the Aeros leave, Houston could be out of hockey a long time. Probably not as long as Cleveland was (14 years) as it's too big of a market. But it could be 5 or 6 years.


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