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Wisent42 02-09-2013 01:39 PM

Points per $
 
I was wondering, has anyone taken the time and effort to make a "point per $"-standing? Would be interesting to see dollars spent translated into points. I'm guessing teams like Buffalo Sabres aren't doing too well, spending to the cap (and beyond) with only four wins. Washington Capitals probably not doing to good either.

ThirdManIn 02-09-2013 01:56 PM

Interesting idea. It would probably be best if fans of individual teams submit information that can then be compiled. Seems like that would be the easiest. I'm at work, but if I get time I'll give some info for the Preds.

DevilChuk* 02-09-2013 01:58 PM

Preds/Sens/Devils probably top 3 in some order.

All have strong starts to the season and aren't anywhere near the cap ceiling.

AndyPipkin 02-09-2013 02:09 PM

Are we talking cap hit or actual salary for this year?

Bonecrusher11 02-09-2013 02:09 PM

Capgeek used to have something called bargain hunters on their site, where they calculated how much money players got per point. they seem to have taken it off the site though :dunno:

Wisent42 02-09-2013 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyPipkin (Post 59357441)
Are we talking cap hit or actual salary for this year?

Maybe both? Could be interesting to compare the two.

FireEverybody* 02-09-2013 02:18 PM

Got to be the Isle, no?

ThirdManIn 02-09-2013 02:34 PM

Nashville Predators:

Martin Erat: 7 points - $4.5m Cap Hit = $642,857 per point. Actual salary: $5.5m = $785,714 per point.

Colin Wilson: 7 points - $2m Cap Hit = $285,714 per point. Actual salary: $1.5m = $214,285 per point.

Brandon Yip: 5 points - $750k Cap Hit/Salary = $150,000 per point.

Kevin Klein: 5 points - $1.35m Cap Hit/Salary = $270,000 per point.

David Legwand: 4 points - $4.5m Cap Hit = $1,125,000 per point. $4m Actual Salary = $1m per point.

Patric Hornqvist: 4 points - $3.08m Cap Hit = $770.750 per point. $3.25m Actual Salary = $812,500 per point.

Ryan Ellis: 4 points - $1.44m Cap Hit = $360,000 per point. $810k Actual Salary = $202,500 per point.

Gabriel Bourque: 4 points - $618,333 = $154,583 per point. $635,000 Actual Salary = $158,750 per point.

And just to be fair, Shea Weber: 1 point - $7,857,143 Cap Hit = $7,857,143 per point. $14m Actual Salary = $14m per point.

As a team: 56 points - $54,132,572m in total cap payroll = $966,653 per point.

If someone else wants to finish the Preds for me that'd be awesome.

mkwong268 02-09-2013 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThirdManIn (Post 59360685)
Nashville Predators:

Martin Erat: 7 points - $4.5m Cap Hit = $642,857 per point. Actual salary: $5.5m = $785,714 per point.

Colin Wilson: 7 points - $2m Cap Hit = $285,714 per point. Actual salary: $1.5m = $214,285 per point.

Brandon Yip: 5 points - $750k Cap Hit/Salary = $150,000 per point.

Kevin Klein: 5 points - $1.35m Cap Hit/Salary = $270,000 per point.

David Legwand: 4 points - $4.5m Cap Hit = $1,125,000 per point. $4m Actual Salary = $1m per point.

Patric Hornqvist: 4 points - $3.08m Cap Hit = $770.750 per point. $3.25m Actual Salary = $812,500 per point.

Ryan Ellis: 4 points - $1.44m Cap Hit = $360,000 per point. $810k Actual Salary = $202,500 per point.

Gabriel Bourque: 4 points - $618,333 = $154,583 per point. $635,000 Actual Salary = $158,750 per point.

And just to be fair, Shea Weber: 1 point - $7,857,143 Cap Hit = $7,857,143 per point. $14m Actual Salary = $14m per point.

As a team: 56 points - $54,132,572m in total cap payroll = $966,653 per point.

If someone else wants to finish the Preds for me that'd be awesome.

I think we should use last year's point stats, or pro-rate the salary to the games played so far.

ThirdManIn 02-09-2013 03:31 PM

Yeah that would be better I think. I just quickly did that while at work. If I get time later on I'll run through last year's points totals compared to salary.

Cashville 02-09-2013 03:44 PM

I think it would be more interesting and easier to do on a team payroll vs. team standings points basis.

ThirdManIn 02-09-2013 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cashville (Post 59367767)
I think it would be more interesting and easier to do on a team payroll vs. team standings points basis.

Definitely easier. I couldn't get cap geek's archive to actually work, so I used numbers pulled from USA Today. They listed actual salaries and not cap hits.

2011-2012 Nashville Predators Pay Roll (not including Radulov) was $54,014,000 (or close). They had 104 points in the standings at the end of the regular season. That is just over $519,365 per point in the standings.

sharks9 02-09-2013 04:27 PM

Here's an article for some of the best individual players from last year in terms of cost-per-point.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/0...4yourpuck-com/

Krishna 02-09-2013 04:34 PM

All of the flyers pointgetters last year :
http://i.imgur.com/2jT0p9H.png

Devilsfan92 02-09-2013 04:36 PM

Some for the Devils;

Patrik Elias 11gp 13p - CH: $6,000,000 ($461,538.46 per point)- S: $5,000,000 ($384,615.38 per point)

David Clarkson 11gp 13p - CH: $2,666,667 ($205,128.23 per point) - S: $3,000,000 ($230,769.23 per point)

Ilya Kovalchuk 11gp 9p - CH: $6,666,667 ($740,740.78 per point) - S: $11,000,000 ($1,222,222.22 per point)

Andy Greene 11gp 8p - CH: $3,000,000 ($375,000.00 per point) - S: $2,750,000 ($343,750.00)

Stephen Gionta 11gp 5p - CH: $562,5000 ($112,500 per point) - S: $525,000 ($105,000)

Adam Henrique 6gp 5p - CH: $854,156 ($170,831.20 per point) - S: $525,000 ($105,000)

Travis Zajac 11gp 3p - CH: $3,887,500 ($1,295,833.33 per point) - S: $4,800,000 ($1,600,000 per point)

Team: 11gp 84p - Payroll: $56,664,848 ($674,581.52 per point)

YogiCanucks 02-09-2013 04:41 PM

Jannik Hansen HAS to be at the top of the ES points per $ (non ECL of course)

LiveeviL 02-09-2013 04:45 PM

You got a tab here called "Spending efficiency"
http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/player_stats

drmagg 02-09-2013 04:48 PM

Blues have a 20 ml in cap space? Am i seeing things?!

Something wrong with me or this?

Krishna 02-09-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmagg (Post 59371753)
Blues have a 20 ml in cap space? Am i seeing things?!

Something wrong with me or this?

'technically' the cap is 70.2m for this season

64.3m for next season though

Paranoid Android 02-09-2013 05:11 PM

I think the OP needs to specify what he means by "points." Do you mean goals + assists or standings points?

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmagg (Post 59371753)
Blues have a 20 ml in cap space? Am i seeing things?!

Something wrong with me or this?

It's pretty remarkable how good the Blues are considering their spending.

VinnyC 02-09-2013 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmagg (Post 59371753)
Blues have a 20 ml in cap space? Am i seeing things?!

Something wrong with me or this?

It's legit. But keep in mind they will need to re-sign Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk and Berglund as well as a couple of other RFA's. They will have no trouble fitting the team whole under the new cap, though.

Paranoid Android 02-09-2013 05:18 PM

Team GP P $ $/P
NEW JERSEY 11 17 56.562 3.327176471
CHICAGO 11 20 67.56 3.378
PITTSBURGH 12 16 61.734 3.858375
ANAHEIM 10 15 57.904 3.860266667
OTTAWA 12 14 55.083 3.9345
NASHVILLE 10 13 55.268 4.251384615
BOSTON 9 15 65.434 4.362266667
DALLAS 12 13 57.88 4.452307692
SAN JOSE 10 15 68.103 4.5402
ST LOUIS 10 12 56.096 4.674666667
VANCOUVER 10 14 70.081 5.005785714
DETROIT 11 13 65.38 5.029230769
TORONTO 11 12 63.135 5.26125
WINNIPEG 11 11 58.385 5.307727273
TAMPA BAY 10 12 63.741 5.31175
MONTREAL 10 13 69.598 5.353692308
PHOENIX 11 10 53.558 5.3558
NY ISLANDERS 10 9 54.529 6.058777778
EDMONTON 11 11 67.355 6.123181818
CAROLINA 10 11 68.671 6.242818182
PHILADELPHIA 12 11 71.466 6.496909091
FLORIDA 10 9 60.645 6.738333333
NY RANGERS 10 10 69.279 6.9279
COLUMBUS 11 8 55.654 6.95675
COLORADO 10 8 56.936 7.117
CALGARY 8 8 57.639 7.204875
BUFFALO 11 9 66.869 7.429888889
LOS ANGELES 9 8 62.85 7.85625
MINNESOTA 10 9 70.76 7.862222222
WASHINGTON 11 5 64.004 12.8008


As of right now the top 3 are NJ, Chicago, and Pittsburgh. Bottom 3 are Washington, Minnesota, and LA. These are based off cap hits.

Redundant 02-09-2013 05:58 PM

Anaheim Ducks for 2011-2012. I only used players that played at least 20 games though, however it wouldn't be a bad idea to consider pro-rating based on games played.

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3921/duckspts.png]

zytz 02-09-2013 07:55 PM

I've always thought this would be a cool metric to help compare the 'value' of players when taking their contract into account

Wisent42 02-10-2013 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cashville (Post 59367767)
I think it would be more interesting and easier to do on a team payroll vs. team standings points basis.

That's what I was originally going for too.


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