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ITM 02-10-2013 03:00 AM

JFJ's Assists.
 
Four players drafted in 2006 are now regular Leafs:

2/44 - Nikolai Kulemin

4/99 - James Reimer

4/111 - Korbinan Holzer

6/180 - Leo Komarov


With Stalberg and Tlusty also taking regular NHL shifts this was a great haul by JFJ and Co. that year. Six of seven of his selections are now regular NHLers.

Only two in 2007:

4/99 - Matt Frattin

7/194 - Carl Gunnarsson


But that is no small contribution to the club's present make-up.

Burke was certainly right in giving credit where credit was due. And it's a testament to just how important patience and development can be.

Quarter 02-10-2013 03:03 AM

I don't think anybody has ever doubted his scouting ability.

ITM 02-10-2013 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Quarter (Post 59415135)
I don't think anybody has ever doubted his scouting ability.

For sure...I didn't realize the extent of that ability on our club until I took another look.

Impressive.

JackJ 02-10-2013 03:21 AM

Rename the thread to Morrisons assists. JFJ receives credit for hiring him.

GM's will only weigh in on first rounders.

Winreims 02-10-2013 03:30 AM

JFJ deserves a lot of credit for some of the successes we have on the team now.

rojac 02-10-2013 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Winreims (Post 59415439)
JFJ deserves a lot of credit for some of the successes we have on the team now.

Yes, he does. But Burke, Nonis, and company also deserve credit for recognizing that these were assets that were worth keeping and not thowing the baby out with the bathwater.

johnny_rudeboy 02-10-2013 06:34 AM

I did not even know JFJ was a scout and even less so a scout who managed to scout Russia, Finland, Germany and Canada at the same time. That is very impressive. :sarcasm:

Jerkini 02-10-2013 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Quarter (Post 59415135)
I don't think anybody has ever doubted his scouting ability.

And yet he traded Tuuka Rask instead of Justin Pogge.

KuleminFan41 02-10-2013 06:42 AM

If only he picked Girioux over Tlusty then I would be even more impressed! jk but wouldn't be too bad if he did but yes his drafting wasn't completely bad

Quarter 02-10-2013 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerkini (Post 59416709)
And yet he traded Tuuka Rask instead of Justin Pogge.

Hindsight's 20/20.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he pressured to trade one of them away (specifically Rask)?

cynicism 02-10-2013 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Winreims (Post 59415439)
JFJ deserves a lot of credit for some of the successes we have on the team now.

Imagine the success if he hadn't traded away Rask

To borrow a line from Apocalypse Now, it's like shooting someone with a machinegun and then giving them a bandaid

number72 02-10-2013 08:16 AM

JFJ was better draft selector compared to Burke. And just as ineffective at leading the team to the playoffs as Burke.

416Leafer 02-10-2013 08:31 AM

I actually think JFJ could make a good GM in this league.

He seems like he's got a good eye for young talent. His time in Toronto, he became a GM at a young age, in one of the hardest markets to be a GM, where there was lots of pressure from above to win now win now win now.

He made a couple of terrible moves here, but I wouldnt be surprised if given more autonomy, and given his experience in the past where he's potentially learned from mistakes, that he could make a good GM.

BraveCanadian 02-10-2013 09:52 AM

I will always maintain that JFJ would have been a fine GM if he'd had the authority to rebuild the team ahead of the lockout like he wanted to.

Management overruled him and he had to make a push which resulted in the trading of picks and youth for playoff berths.

Its too bad because if he had been allowed to rebuild the team through the draft like he wanted, it looks like he would have done a good job of it.

I'll also add that the way he handled himself in the media when the scummy team management was actively seeking his replacement in a not so discreet way was really classy.

Hero 02-10-2013 09:57 AM

JFJ was obviously a great scout, and a great scouts strength is the draft. If we had a proper rebuild he would of be an excellent choice as GM.

Raging Bull 02-10-2013 09:59 AM

Great on Burke too for sticking with Frattin when the majority of GM's most likely would not have. Kid stuck to it and got his priorities in order and Burke rewarded him for that.

LeafOfBread 02-10-2013 10:02 AM

He may have been a decent scout but a terrible GM.

Plus, Dave Morrison and Thommie Bergman deserve a lot of credit. Pretty sure Bergman is responsible for Holzer and Gunnarsson. We also drafted Tom Nilsson a couple of years ago under his watch.

Stephen 02-10-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BraveCanadian (Post 59420121)
I will always maintain that JFJ would have been a fine GM if he'd had the authority to rebuild the team ahead of the lockout like he wanted to.

Management overruled him and he had to make a push which resulted in the trading of picks and youth for playoff berths.

Its too bad because if he had been allowed to rebuild the team through the draft like he wanted, it looks like he would have done a good job of it.

I'll also add that the way he handled himself in the media when the scummy team management was actively seeking his replacement in a not so discreet way was really classy.

It sounded like JFJ wanted to tank it for 2006-whenever but MLSE wouldn't go for it.

Pi 02-10-2013 10:34 AM

I wish we could hire him as a scout or work in partner with Dave Morrison. He definitely has a keen eye for talent.

Grant 02-10-2013 10:49 AM

Never realized before that Tlusty was traded for Paradis who was packaged with Stalberg for Versteeg.

Can link Percy + Leivo almost directly to 2006 as well even though they were drafted much later.

BraveCanadian 02-10-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pi (Post 59421765)
I wish we could hire him as a scout or work in partner with Dave Morrison. He definitely has a keen eye for talent.

He has been working for San Jose for quite some time now unless that has changed recently.

Schennanigans 02-10-2013 10:54 AM

The oil should hire him, they can't pick players worth a damn outside the 1st round.

MrLegend28* 02-10-2013 11:03 AM

for people bagging on JFJ, you are aware its old new he wanted a rebuild and the higher ups said no way to that? He got handcuffed into a ****** situation

pooleboy 02-10-2013 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Quarter (Post 59415135)
I don't think anybody has ever doubted his scouting ability.

we should have kept him to scout... :P

he even would have had a 1st rounder to pick

therealkoho 02-10-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerkini (Post 59416709)
And yet he traded Tuuka Rask instead of Justin Pogge.


Lets put that non-sense to bed right now

RASK was unsigned and showed no inclination of signing with the Buds, time was running out for them to retain his rights w/o a sig


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