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riseandfall9 02-10-2013 08:00 PM

Jeff Carter`s Trade to the Kings and the 1st Round pick
 
Sorry if this was mentioned before, but I didn't see it posted anywhere.......

Does anyone know if its protected this year? Or regardless if its #1 overall its theirs?

Starting to get a tiny bit worried, would like to know :D

damacles1156 02-10-2013 08:01 PM

Not protected.

If it's 1st overall, it's the Jackets.

They can keep it, I'll take the Cup.

Why anyone cares about that pick baffles me.

We all know Lombardi's reputation with 1st round picks right ?

Minus Drew/Pearson....It's been terrible.

Kingsfan1 02-10-2013 08:01 PM

Theirs , I hope they get 1st overall regardless who's pick it is

King'sPawn 02-10-2013 08:07 PM

Not protected, which is why I've been grumpy about the Kings struggles. It sucks to watch them struggle, endure the lockout, and not even have a good pick to show for it.

But Damacles is right. Who cares? The cup is worth it, and if the Jackets get the first overall as a result, good for them. Let's just hope they make good use of the rest of the picks.

Ziggy Stardust 02-10-2013 08:07 PM

I'd trade another first round pick knowing it was 1st overall if it guaranteed another Stanley Cup. It's a price worth paying, so long as your scouts are good enough to find other gems in later rounds (like Detroit has done for many years).

Hatter 02-10-2013 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damacles1156 (Post 59458405)
Not protected.

If it's 1st overall, it's the Jackets.

They can keep it, I'll take the Cup.

Why anyone cares about that pick baffles me.

We all know Lombardi's reputation with 1st round picks right ?

Minus Drew/Pearson....It's been terrible.

Why people on a HOCKEY'S FUTURE board are interested in a pick baffles you?

Vamos Rafa 02-10-2013 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatter (Post 59459531)
Why people on a HOCKEY'S FUTURE board are interested in a pick baffles you?


At first, I thought HF stood for "Hockey Fans".

Knight of the Realm 02-10-2013 09:51 PM

Thought Dreger said the draft really isn't that deep past the first few picks.

MsMeow 02-10-2013 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Knight of the Realm (Post 59468619)
Thought Dreger said the draft really isn't that deep past the first few picks.

He wasn't the only one that said that so I wouldn't be too worried.

damacles1156 02-10-2013 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knight of the Realm (Post 59468619)
Thought Dreger said the draft really isn't that deep past the first few picks.

It's like that every year..

It starts out (Deepest draft ever). Then once the draft gets closer (weak draft after the top Ten picks).

Basilisk 02-10-2013 10:50 PM

Just wait for 2015....

northernKing 02-10-2013 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Knight of the Realm (Post 59468619)
Thought Dreger said the draft really isn't that deep past the first few picks.

From what I've heard, and seen based on viewing some games, it IS a deep draft. Many experts are comparing it to the 2003 draft. A team like CLB could really fast track it's rebuild with a great draft having 3 first rders (LA and NYR picks)
Teams like ANA (Getzlaf,Perry) and Philadelphia (Carter,Richards) really benefitted from that deep draft

King'sPawn 02-11-2013 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by northernKing (Post 59474143)
From what I've heard, and seen based on viewing some games, it IS a deep draft. Many experts are comparing it to the 2003 draft. A team like CLB could really fast track it's rebuild with a great draft having 3 first rders (LA and NYR picks)
Teams like ANA (Getzlaf,Perry) and Philadelphia (Carter,Richards) really benefitted from that deep draft

I like how you left out the Kings who got 3 first round picks in that draft: Brown, Boyle, Tambellini ;)

RonSwanson* 02-11-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingsfan1 (Post 59458497)
Theirs , I hope they get 1st overall regardless who's pick it is

:shakehead

I don't think you understand how it works.

BringTheReign 02-11-2013 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by King'sPawn (Post 59474489)
I like how you left out the Kings who got 3 first round picks in that draft: Brown, Boyle, Tambellini ;)

We don't talk about that here.

tigermask48 02-11-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BringTheReign (Post 59475281)
We don't talk about that here.

But the Kings still took advantage of that draft and ended up having 5 picks from that draft as part of the cup winning team in Brown, Richards, Carter, Fraser, and Richardson... Yeah they only drafted Brown but still, I think we can mention it now that they fixed that screwup.

kingsfan 02-11-2013 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damacles1156 (Post 59469005)
It's like that every year..

It starts out (Deepest draft ever). Then once the draft gets closer (weak draft after the top Ten picks).

Agreed, and outside of the odd very good draft (1979, 2003) or the odd brutal draft (1996) most drafts turn out the exact same, full of great players and busts alike.

Columbus hopefully will do well with their picks this year. As a long suffering fanbase ourselves, we should understand what they are going through. They deserve a good team for once.

The Tikkanen 02-11-2013 09:30 AM

Columbus will still suck, they'll still have the disaster Jack Johnson "playing" defense and we'll still have a championship.

Bandit 02-11-2013 09:31 AM

So we're already convincing ourselves the Kings' 1st round pick is going to be a lottery pick? Ok, sure. We got the best return possible on our 1st rounder: A Stanley Cup. I'm not sure what there is to be worried about...

tigermask48 02-11-2013 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bandit (Post 59482953)
So we're already convincing ourselves the Kings' 1st round pick is going to be a lottery pick? Ok, sure. We got the best return possible on our 1st rounder: A Stanley Cup. I'm not sure what there is to be worried about...

New rules for the new CBA, you win the draft lottery you get the 1st pick meaning any of the 14 teams that miss the playoffs have a shot at number 1. So I guess that now makes any team that doesn't make the playoffs a "lottery pick."

That said, Columbus will still have something happen and won't win the lottery... That franchise just never catches a break.

xavi4life 02-11-2013 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust (Post 59459227)
I'd trade another first round pick knowing it was 1st overall if it guaranteed another Stanley Cup. It's a price worth paying, so long as your scouts are good enough to find other gems in later rounds (like Detroit has done for many years).

Exactly. Not only do they pick great players, but they have the patience to bring them up at the right time.

SLang 02-11-2013 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust (Post 59459227)
I'd trade another first round pick knowing it was 1st overall if it guaranteed another Stanley Cup.

Every year, without blinking an eye.

DaAnimal 02-11-2013 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tikkanen (Post 59482913)
Columbus will still suck, they'll still have the disaster Jack Johnson "playing" defense and we'll still have a championship.

I disagree.

People forget that they have Ryan Murray, whom is injured and out for the rest of the season.

Our 1st rounder picks are important. Without it, our core wouldn't be here today.

Most teams are built around their 1st rounder picks. Sure you might get trashy players but regardless they are projected as a 1st rounder for a reason.

If somehow Columbus gets 1st pick and 2nd (from us, I HOPE NOT) they can easily solidify their problems. Seth Jones and MacKinnon

I saw Jones play in the WJC, the guy is pretty legit. Big defenseman who can play D and O. Good TWD.

I saw MacKinnon play in the subway series, the kid has some great skating skills and is not afraid to shoot.

These two will go 1/2 in my opinion.

So yes, the 1st round pick concerns me, regardless of whether or not we won the cup. I want another one and I want this team is succeed and at the same time stay young and competitive. You know what they say, once you win a cup you want another one.

We can't just be giving away our 1st rounder picks like Toronto. Can you imagine what kind of a team they would have been if it wasn't for the Kessel trade? I think Kessel is great but potentially giving up Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel? I know what ya'll are going to say. Burke probably would have picked another player, but from the looks of it Boston is definitely winning in that trade. Boston doesn't have to worry because they will be a playoff contender for another 5-7 years.

kingsfan 02-11-2013 12:10 PM

I just can't see our 1st being the 2nd overall pick, even if we miss the playoffs. Yes, there's the chance i could be first overall if we miss the playoffs, but the lottery draft is still heavily weighted towards the lower end picks getting it, not a team that barely missed the playoffs.

Bandit 02-11-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kingsfan (Post 59490011)
I just can't see our 1st being the 2nd overall pick, even if we miss the playoffs. Yes, there's the chance i could be first overall if we miss the playoffs, but the lottery draft is still heavily weighted towards the lower end picks getting it, not a team that barely missed the playoffs.

Everyone knows the #1 belongs to the oilers...


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