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HockeyGuy1975 02-10-2013 09:50 PM

How good would the Wings be with Semin and Carle?
 
Holland missed out on Suter and Parise, but Semin and Carle were clearly available. He passed. Right now the team is looking decent, but these two additional above-average players would probably have made them SC contenders. That's incredibly frustrating.

The Zetterberg Era 02-10-2013 09:55 PM

This team will go as far as Datsyuk and Zetterberg carry it along with Howard being solid. I don't think that this makes them a great deal better, but I am sure it would help them a little. Want no part of Carle's contract, so actually very glad they missed on him. But that team still needs Howard, Datsyuk and Zetterberg to carry it.

pdd 02-10-2013 09:56 PM

Carle would have definitely improved the "offense from defense" aspect, and Semin would have been a nice trigger to have on the wing.

Probably a bit better, but not outlandishly better; neither player would be an improvement defensively on what we have now.

DatsyukToZetterberg 02-10-2013 10:00 PM

Neither player would move us from playoff team up to contender status. Carle is an okay #2/#3 dman, he's being paid #1 type money, I'd rather stay away from him. Semin on the other hand isn't really lighting the world on fire right now. It would give us more depth but I think we were better off avoiding Carle & maybe this offseason taking a gamble on Semin (hoping he has a poor year so we can get him on a cheap deal).

Ricelund 02-10-2013 10:00 PM

The Carle contract is pretty bad. I'd take Semin though.

BeerLeagueAllStar 02-10-2013 10:01 PM

I think we would be quite a bit better off with Semin playing on Datsyuk's wing rather than Sammy/Cleary, and what really stings is that Semin signed a 1-year deal. Carle would've been a slight improvement, but I wouldn't want him blocking some of the guys we'll have coming up in a couple years.

Bench 02-10-2013 10:08 PM

Brunner is producing more than Semin and Ericsson almost as much as Carle.

Would either of those guys be getting as many minutes, and thus the opportunity to succeed, if the free agents were signed?

Like most people, I'd be more inclined to say Semin would help than Carle.

ricky0034 02-10-2013 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DatsyukToZetterberg (Post 59464137)
Neither player would move us from playoff team up to contender status. Carle is an okay #2/#3 dman, he's being paid #1 type money, I'd rather stay away from him. Semin on the other hand isn't really lighting the world on fire right now. It would give us more depth but I think we were better off avoiding Carle & maybe this offseason taking a gamble on Semin (hoping he has a poor year so we can get him on a cheap deal).

everything i've heard suggests the exact opposite

for example this thread: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1331413&page=3

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Alexander Semin- The elite winger E. Staal has always wanted/needed. He has a great shot, might have 8 goals if he didn't hit so many posts, and is also a great playmaker. He's been great defensively as well. I want a long term extension ASAP.
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Alexander Semin - outstanding. Offensively he's the most talented player on the team right now, his defensive game is seriously underappreciated league wide, and he really seems to have bought in. He's clicking with Eric Staal nicely which has led to Eric's most productive start to a season since 2005-06's 100 point campaign. Grade: A, and only reason it's not an A+ is that we have to worry about re-signing him this offseason.

joe89 02-10-2013 10:14 PM

I'd gladly have Semin for this year rather than the cap space.. Carle has from what I've seen been far from stellar defensively and he's worse than Kronwall offensively. On that contract, pass.

Bench 02-10-2013 10:15 PM

Hey eva, what are people saying about Hudler? I bet he's better than Semin.

There we go fellas, I lit the fuse.

RedWingsNow* 02-10-2013 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Zetterberg Era (Post 59463751)
This team will go as far as Datsyuk and Zetterberg carry it along with Howard being solid. I don't think that this makes them a great deal better, but I am sure it would help them a little. Want no part of Carle's contract, so actually very glad they missed on him. But that team still needs Howard, Datsyuk and Zetterberg to carry it.

I partially agree with you -- regarding Carle's contract. Also not to thrilled with Semin's salary.

On the other hand, Alex Semin would have helped this team enormously.

Franzen Zetterberg Brunnder
Flip Datsyuk Semin

Or
Franzen Zetterberg Brunner
Nyquist Datsyuk Semin
Bertuzzi Flip Cleary
Abdelkader Helm

Even with the injuries, it's not hard to see the improvement.

The really dumb thing about Brunner with Z is that...

If you wanted a right-handed shooter, who do you play him with? The center who loves to shoot? Or the center who loves to pass?

So after all these years we have left-handed Wingers like Bert and Flip and Cleary playing with Datsyuk.

pdd 02-10-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bench (Post 59465785)
Hey eva, what are people saying about Hudler? I bet he's better than Semin.

There we go fellas, I lit the fuse.

Calgary fans are in love with Hudler's skill, creativity, and performance.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1340437

Thats My Hat 02-10-2013 10:40 PM

I wanted both of those players in the off season before they signed along with Suter. Suter and Carle in the top 4 would have been amazing, and Semin would have been the Russian Datsyuk wanted on his wing. But the contract Carle signed with Tampa is way too much.

But still, imagine having this as our lineup.

Franzen Zetterberg Brunner
Flip Datsyuk Semin
Tatar Helm Nyquist
Tootoo Emmerton Abdelkader
Bert, Cleary, Mursak, Miller, Eaves, whoever else I missed. Not sure what we could have done with them, but meh, this is merely a fantasy.

OR

Franzen Zetterberg Brunner
Nyquist Datsyuk Semin
Tatar Flip Bert
Tootoo Helm Abdelkader

Suter Kronwall
Carle Ericsson
Smith White
Quincey, Kindl

OR, since we definitely could not get Suter

Kronwall Lashoff
Carle Smith
Quincey White
Kindl, Coliacovo

Those were my ideal lineups in the summer. We can roll 3 scoring lines, but the 3rd line will also have speed. Tatar and Nyquist would increase Helm's production as well. Or have Flip center the 3rd line and have a deadly line of Tootoo, Helm and Abby. Point is, there is a lot of flexibility with line combinations.

Frk It 02-10-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bench (Post 59465785)
Hey eva, what are people saying about Hudler? I bet he's better than Semin.

There we go fellas, I lit the fuse.

I hate you for this ^^^^^

Winger98 02-10-2013 10:47 PM

I don't like Carle's contract, but $5.5/6 doesn't seem like that much of an overpayment. Wisniewski got $5.5m/6 and Ehrhoff pulled in $4m/10. Each of those are 2/3 level guys to me, and they're getting the same sort of cap hit.

Meanwhile, Suter got $7.5m/13 and Weber got $7.9m/14.

I still wouldn't have signed Carle because I'm not a fan of his game, but the contract isn't that bad. I'd have been on board for Semin, though.

SoupNazi 02-10-2013 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frk It (Post 59467977)
I hate you for this ^^^^^

I agree. And Bench is one of my favorite posters.

Frk It 02-10-2013 10:49 PM

Brunner as Z's RW, and Semin as Dats RW would be lethal. You see how much good a righty who can shoot does for Z, imagine if we had 2 of them.

Pizzarena 02-10-2013 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Thats My Hat (Post 59467857)
Franzen Zetterberg Brunner
Nyquist Datsyuk Semin
Tatar Flip Bert
Tootoo Helm Abdelkader

This. Yep, this.

Bench 02-10-2013 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frk It (Post 59467977)
I hate you for this ^^^^^

Just imagine how much better Datsyuk would be with Hudler on his wing!

Pizzarena 02-10-2013 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frk It (Post 59468415)
Brunner as Z's RW, and Semin as Dats RW would be lethal. You see how much good a righty who can shoot does for Z, imagine if we had 2 of them.

But, Sammy....

:sarcasm:

Eternal Sunshine 02-10-2013 10:58 PM

Wish we would've overpaid for Gleason last year before Carolina extended him. Should've sent the 1st we used on Quincey their way instead.

Bench 02-10-2013 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Townsend Beasley (Post 59468707)
But, Sammy....

:sarcasm:

He needs to play before I can decide what's up there. I still think he could contribute, but ya know, he's only been on the ice for 26 minutes so it's not a great sample size.

Bench 02-10-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eternal Sunshine (Post 59469081)
Wish we would've overpaid for Gleason last year before Carolina extended him. Should've sent the 1st we used on Quincey their way instead.

If I'm remembering right, Gleason took Ott's wife from him. And since I hate Ott, that's pretty awesome. So I'd be down with Gleason!

Pizzarena 02-10-2013 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bench (Post 59469137)
He needs to play before I can decide what's up there. I still think he could contribute, but ya know, he's only been on the ice for 26 minutes so it's not a great sample size.

Roger that, just trying to gauge Mikaels considerable fanbase on hfb-detroit

Bench 02-10-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Townsend Beasley (Post 59469599)
Roger that, just trying to gauge Mikaels considerable fanbase on hfb-detroit

He's basically a living legend of Chuck Norris proportions.


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