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Chooch 02-11-2013 12:27 AM

When did Smyth become so undisciplined?
 
This is getting bizarre, has there been a game this season where he hasn't taken a dumb penalty? His behaviour toward the reffs against Detroit the other day was just child-like, even Krueger had to tell him to keep it together. He's just being a horrible example to the younger players, he isn't being the veteran that this club needs and don't even get me started on his play.

Anybody think he's unhappy and wants out? I've never seen Smyth at this low of a level in the NHL before and i surely didn't think it would happen this year.

Mr Forever 02-11-2013 12:28 AM

He takes these stick infractions because he's so slow and behind the play all the time.

NewBoysClub97* 02-11-2013 12:29 AM

What a lazy guy. Here it goes. Guy goes in the offensive zone, loses puck, not speed to retrieve, hooks a guy.

Slow, useless player UNLESS he gets a rest and used properly.

Does our coach have the balls to do that? He better.

Bench him

Chooch 02-11-2013 12:31 AM

Smyth is driving me nuts. Not even bothering to learn from his mistakes. I never thought i'd say this, but i want Smyth out. It's just time to move on for both sides.

Moonlapse Vertigo 02-11-2013 12:32 AM

Ryan Smyth had a far better career but these twilight seasons are reminding me of Ethan Moreau. There are even reports that he's upset about being on the fourth line.

402 02-11-2013 12:35 AM

He's old and slow and just not a very good hockey player anymore.
He should have retired last season, oiler fans used to love Smyth but now he's holding the team back.

SchultzSquared* 02-11-2013 12:37 AM

I still hold out hope what we saw today was just because the kids decided to punk him by gluing his skate guards on his skates... :help:

Chooch 02-11-2013 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueChip01 (Post 59475101)
What a lazy guy. Here it goes. Guy goes in the offensive zone, loses puck, not speed to retrieve, hooks a guy.

Slow, useless player UNLESS he gets a rest and used properly.

Does our coach have the balls to do that? He better.

Bench him

He's not even good at being a garbage picker anymore. That just makes him useless.

Tarus 02-11-2013 12:52 AM

Smyth has always been prone to undisciplined penalties. Even in his 30 goal years, he cost the team games with lazy stick infractions.

The goals and grit have dried up, and all that is left are the penalties.

MCDAVIDISH 02-11-2013 12:55 AM

Smyth is my hero.... I hate seeing my hero play way past his prime, and that is what's happening. I can no longer sit here and support him being in the lineup. So hard to say though.

Mr Forever 02-11-2013 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonlapse Vertigo (Post 59475149)
Ryan Smyth had a far better career but these twilight seasons are reminding me of Ethan Moreau. There are even reports that he's upset about being on the fourth line.

I guess that means he sees himself as better than Hartikanen and Paajarvi. A pretty horrible attitude for a veteran to have.

x GreatKeith 02-11-2013 01:01 AM

He's always taken dumb penalties (Game 7 anyone?). He usually scored enough points to make it a moot point, but this year he's just... terrible.

The Perfect Human* 02-11-2013 01:19 AM

It's the inevitable decline of what was once an effective forechecking, grinding, winger.

We're seeing Smyth on his last legs here. Slow strolling pace up and down the ice, clumsy turns around the net, inability to protect the puck along the boards - like another poster said, he's playing past his prime, past his decline - he's basically digging his own grave now.

Buying out Horcoff seemed the logical choice after this season - but I think we're better off ending the Smyth experiment early and riding Horc on the 3rd line for one more season before buying him out.

loller12 02-11-2013 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueChip01 (Post 59475101)
What a lazy guy. Here it goes. Guy goes in the offensive zone, loses puck, not speed to retrieve, hooks a guy.

Slow, useless player UNLESS he gets a rest and used properly.

Does our coach have the balls to do that? He better.

Bench him

I'm sorry but if Ryan Smyth is getting tired when only playing 11 minutes a night then he shouldn't be playing in the NHL. Right now Smyth has to accept hes a 4th line guy that kills penalties, because if he thinks hes better than Harti or PRV then he should be benched for the whole season.

Tarus 02-11-2013 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PETRYDISH (Post 59475613)
Smyth is my hero.... I hate seeing my hero play way past his prime, and that is what's happening. I can no longer sit here and support him being in the lineup. So hard to say though.

I've heard this sentiment from more than a few younger fans. Lot of them not around for the dynasty years, and even missed out on the Weight years.

A whole generation of fans who have never seen anything but a short glimpse of an elite player in oiler silks(Pronger), and turned the medicore players the team was limited to retaining into cult heros in the vacuum created by the poor situation the team was in during the 00s.

You guys really missed out when you were growing up watching hockey.

MCDAVIDISH 02-11-2013 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tarus (Post 59476319)
I've heard this sentiment from more than a few younger fans. Lot of them not around for the dynasty years, and even missed out on the Weight years.

A whole generation of fans who have never seen anything but a short glimpse of an elite player in oiler silks(Pronger), and turned the medicore players the team was limited to retaining into cult heros in the vacuum created by the poor situation the team was in during the 00s.

You guys really missed out when you were growing up watching hockey.

Ya I was pretty young for the weight years, although I remember the Carter-Weight-Guerin days, Smyth is definitely the first star in oil silks that I really remember. Now that I think of it.... It's kind of sad. I also feel sad cause I know a lot of older guys like my dad are holding our current you guns up to standards of the greatest hockey players of all time..... This team seems so close right now to succeeding, yet so far away.

Moonlapse Vertigo 02-11-2013 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PETRYDISH (Post 59476541)
Ya I was pretty young for the weight years, although I remember the Carter-Weight-Guerin days, Smyth is definitely the first star in oil silks that I really remember. Now that I think of it.... It's kind of sad. I also feel sad cause I know a lot of older guys like my dad are holding our current you guns up to standards of the greatest hockey players of all time..... This team seems so close right now to succeeding, yet so far away.

My dad is the same way. He's also getting up there in years and I'd like to be able to take him to an Oilers playoff game before he gets too old. This organization needs to hurry the hell up.

Chooch 02-11-2013 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonlapse Vertigo (Post 59476597)
My dad is the same way. He's also getting up there in years and I'd like to be able to take him to an Oilers playoff game before he gets too old. This organization needs to hurry the hell up.

They do, 6 years going on 7 is way too much for a team that has die-hard fans that puts up with it's terrible management.

Jepprey 02-11-2013 02:05 AM

He always was undisciplined. But these days remind me of Moreau as a captain a few years ago. Dark dark times. Lol

Chooch 02-11-2013 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jepprey (Post 59476791)
He always was undisciplined. But these days remind me of Moreau as a captain a few years ago. Dark dark times. Lol

Yeah, but my point is when was he so undisciplined? I don't ever remember Smyth being this bad.

Oiltankjob Fail 02-11-2013 02:08 AM

He needs to be benched the sooner the better Imo.

MCDAVIDISH 02-11-2013 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chooch (Post 59476761)
They do, 6 years going on 7 is way too much for a team that has die-hard fans that puts up with it's terrible management.

Ya I was just thinking the other day about the cup run in 06. I was 16 years old when it happened and I remember thinking about how crazy white ave would be when I get old enough to go out drinking.... Even though i was young at the time I'm feeling my bar days and desire to run around white ave all the time slithering away slowly. I've grown up far too much since our last playoff appearance... way too long.

Jepprey 02-11-2013 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by StephenHAWKING (Post 59476809)
Yeah, but my point is when was he so undisciplined? I don't ever remember Smyth being this bad.

He started being this bad in his last year as a king. Just difficult for him to keep up now. I guess.

Stoneman89 02-11-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by StephenHAWKING (Post 59476809)
Yeah, but my point is when was he so undisciplined? I don't ever remember Smyth being this bad.

As has been stated on this thread and many others, Smyth's penalties are the direct result of not being able to keep up in the play. It's been evolving over the last year or 3. It's starting to become a serious problem this year.

JoeCool16 02-11-2013 11:31 AM

I think he still has what it takes to be effective in a specific role, and if he's used sparingly (not on back-to-back games, for example) and has time to rest, he can still contribute.

That said, I agree that these penalties are coming from him being unable to keep up with quick skates and having to hook to keep up.


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