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Chelle 02-11-2013 11:53 AM

Jack Johnson vs Chrstian Ehrhoff
 
Who do you take?

Kezia 02-11-2013 11:56 AM

Ehrhoff

Sergei Shirokov 02-11-2013 04:38 PM

Johnson

bruinsfan46 02-11-2013 05:03 PM

Ehrhoff for the superior offense, don't love either's defence (yes Columbus fans I know it's supposedly a new Jack Johnson as a Blue Jacket, still not quite buying it).

capitalsrock 02-11-2013 08:55 PM

Johnson quite easily

SoupNazi 02-11-2013 09:27 PM

Johnson

thefifagod 02-11-2013 09:49 PM

Long term or just for this year? For this year, I'm taking Ehrhoff. His defense has been incredibly sound playing with a #6/7 defenseman (Sulzer) while still bringing it offensively.

NEWFowler 02-11-2013 10:06 PM

This year its gotta be Johnson.

Le Magnifique 66 02-12-2013 09:31 AM

Jack Johnson

36kap36 02-12-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruinsfan46 (Post 59504761)
Ehrhoff for the superior offense, don't love either's defence (yes Columbus fans I know it's supposedly a new Jack Johnson as a Blue Jacket, still not quite buying it).

Honest question: When is the last time you watched him play?

Oiled up* 02-12-2013 10:12 AM

Ehrhoff... Simply because of his offensive talents.

tony d 02-12-2013 11:49 AM

Ehroff.

InjuredChoker 02-13-2013 06:20 AM

JMFJ but I'm biased.

Habs 4 Life 02-13-2013 10:40 AM

JJ for me

eklunds source 02-13-2013 01:05 PM

Jack Johnson is not good. In fact, he might be one of the worst players IN THE LEAGUE.

Athletically, sure, he can do incredible things... But he actively hurts his team every time he's on the ice. He is consistently DESTROYED in puck possession, scoring chances, shots, and goals.

I would rather have Ehrhoff at $6m/yr than Jack Johnson at $1.5m/yr. Did nobody notice how much better the Kings got when he stopped being a dead weight on their team? After they jettisoned him and added a great possession player in Carter, they outshot 15 teams in a row by a combined 452-302 - and 13 of those 15 teams were playoff teams.

Last year the Blue Jackets were actually respectable in puck possession (at roughly the midway point of the year, after game #46, the Blue Jackets were actually outshooting the opposition overall), but the season was lost with poor puck luck when shooting and awful goaltending (Mason has is clearly not an NHL goaltender but Howson kept going back to that well).. This year, with Johnson leading the team in ice time, they've been pulverized and sit last in the league by a mile.

Johnson does all the things that make you go "wow, look at that!" and yet at the end of the day, he's ruined his teams chances at a win. I don't mean to disrespect people who voted for him, but seriously, he's absolutely awful.


edit: Here is the Blue Jackets defensemen, this season, courtesy hockeyanalysis.com

Shot ratios
LinemateWITH JohnsonWITHOUT JohnsonJohnson without <linemate>
Wisniewski46.6%63.9%39.6%
Dorsett48.6%44.9%42.0%
Umberger40.5%46.1%37.2%
Brassard41.0%52.5%45.6%
Foligno49.5%52.8%42.5%

When Wisniewski is paired with Johnson, the Jackets control the puck roughly 46.6% of the time. When Johnson loses the defensive stability of Wisniewski, the team drops to 39.6%. Let that sink in - James Wisniewski is pulling Jack Johnson up defensively by a lot!

Dorsett doesn't improve without Jack Johnson, because Dorsett isn't a very good hockey player. Umberger, Brassard, and Foligno all see massive increases away from JJ, and massive drops when they're on the ice with him.

Horseradish 02-13-2013 02:18 PM

Ehrhoff and it's not even a little bit close for me. I'm shocked at how close this poll is. Ehrhoff puts up almost as much offense, and is WAY WAY WAY better on defense.

maroon 6 02-13-2013 02:49 PM

The guy who leaves the Presidents Trophy winning team that made it to game 7 in the finals for a "chance to win" the cup.

lawrence 02-13-2013 03:00 PM

If the Canucks still had Ehrhoff, the Sedins would have gotten more then 90 points last year, and the Canucks would have had a top 3 powerplay in the leauge. That's how much the Canucks miss him.

Christin Ehrhoff easily.

eklunds source 02-13-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maroon 6 (Post 59648535)
The guy who leaves the Presidents Trophy winning team that made it to game 7 in the finals for a "chance to win" the cup.

...Ehrhoff left for the money. The Canucks were offering him Bieksa-money, or about $23m over 5 years. He took $40m over 10 years, including $15m in the first year of the deal.

AndyPipkin 02-13-2013 03:11 PM

The Hoff.

maroon 6 02-13-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eklunds source (Post 59649587)
...Ehrhoff left for the money. The Canucks were offering him Bieksa-money, or about $23m over 5 years. He took $40m over 10 years, including $15m in the first year of the deal.

That too of course but... http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=370500

Confound 02-13-2013 03:25 PM

Johnson and it's not even remotely close for me.

Billy Mays Here 02-13-2013 03:25 PM

Johnson.

Sergei Shirokov 02-13-2013 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrence (Post 59649161)
If the Canucks still had Ehrhoff, the Sedins would have gotten more then 90 points last year, and the Canucks would have had a top 3 powerplay in the leauge. That's how much the Canucks miss him.

Christin Ehrhoff easily.

And if Ehrhoff still had the Sedins, he would have put up 50 Points last year.

Ehrhoff has taken the experience and opportunity he got with us and has continued to develop it into a better two-way game. Really starting to proven himself as one of the better offensive Dmen in the league.

That being said, Johnson is younger, is still developing as a go-to guy and has some pretty good upside on both sides of the puck.

That's why I take Johnson.

eklunds source 02-13-2013 08:11 PM

I would bet $50 that Johnson is out of the league before Ehrhoff is.

Yes, I know he's 5 years younger.


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