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marty 4 hart* 02-12-2013 10:26 AM

playmaker vs goalscorer
 
Who would you rather have on your team? A great playmaker who i a below average goalscorer. Or a great goalscorer who is a below average playmaker.

Anth93 02-12-2013 10:32 AM

Playmaker.

sansabri 02-12-2013 10:42 AM

always the playmaker. great playmakers always finish with more points than great goal scorers.

jbeck5 02-12-2013 10:47 AM

playmaker. Playmakers make players around them better more often then a sniper can.

Also, more often then not, a playmaker's shot is underrated compared to a snipers passing being underrated.

Often,a playmaker(say spezza) could score a lot more if they just decided to shoot.

A sniper, on the other hand, can't start racking up assists because they feel like it. Atleast not as easily as the playmaker who starts shooting more.

Fuelled by Passion 02-12-2013 10:47 AM

Depends on my team

Love 02-12-2013 10:58 AM

I feel like theres wayyy too many variables to be able to answer this question

Kresnik 02-12-2013 11:03 AM

Goalscorer are often underrated because 100% of their goals is thanks to them while a playmaker can stack point even when they are not that involved in the goal. I mean, 60goals is sick while 60assist is very good.

A player with 40goals 40assist or a player with 25-65, how can you say that the player with more assist has actually been more involved in the actually goal then the goalscorer?

I think goals should be more valued then assists in general.

TAnnala 02-12-2013 11:20 AM

Not sure what we area comparing here.

Goalscorer like Peter Bondra who could basically ONLY score goals or a goal scorer like Bure who was elite at scoring goals but could do something besides that VS.

Not really sure who would be the equivalent playmaker to Bondra is goalscorer. Thing is that an elite playmaker usually is elite player offensively but elite goalscorer might be just that. Elite goal scorer.

If the two player were are comparing here are Selanne in his prime vs H. Sedin in his prime i would take Selanne.

If the comparison is Bondra in his prime vs. Joe Thornton in his i take Jumbo Joe.

Love 02-12-2013 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kresnik (Post 59554393)
Goalscorer are often underrated because 100% of their goals is thanks to them while a playmaker can stack point even when they are not that involved in the goal. I mean, 60goals is sick while 60assist is very good.

A player with 40goals 40assist or a player with 25-65, how can you say that the player with more assist has actually been more involved in the actually goal then the goalscorer?

I think goals should be more valued then assists in general.

Agree

um 02-12-2013 11:22 AM

goal scorer easily, goal scorers are much harder to find

um 02-12-2013 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAnnala (Post 59555193)
If the comparison is Bondra in his prime vs. Joe Thornton in his i take Jumbo Joe.

thats a stupid comparision because thornton is way better than bondra.

a better example would be gartner vs. thornton

I Hate Chris Butler 02-12-2013 11:30 AM

Sam Gagner vs David Clarkson
David Desharnais vs Milan Michalek
Joffrey Lupul vs Alex Ovechkin (last season)

I take the goal scorer.

sansabri 02-12-2013 11:31 AM

you don't need great goal scorers when you have great playmakers.

Gretzky, Lemieux... etc,. made average players into 40-50 goal men.

Dangler99* 02-12-2013 11:31 AM

Goal scorers.

TAnnala 02-12-2013 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by um (Post 59555401)
thats a stupid comparision because thornton is way better than bondra.

a better example would be gartner vs. thornton

Not really. I was actually going for the idea that no playmaker can be as one dimensional as some elite scorers are.

BTW, i don't think i would ever even try to play with the idea that Gartner was near Joe. He was effectively Bondra with longer prime.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sansabri (Post 59555709)
you don't need great goal scorers when you have great playmakers.

Gretzky, Lemieux... etc,. made average players into 40-50 goal men.

Well, not really a fair comparison since those two are elite goal scorers too.

Maybe Oates vs. Hull?

jigglysquishy 02-12-2013 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by um (Post 59555401)
thats a stupid comparision because thornton is way better than bondra.

a better example would be gartner vs. thornton

Still would take Thornton every day of the week.


Playmakers make the people around them better. So a playmaker's impact to the team is almost always larger.

jbeck5 02-12-2013 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by um (Post 59555401)
thats a stupid comparision because thornton is way better than bondra.

a better example would be gartner vs. thornton

lol they scored at pretty much the same pace. For you to go out of your way to correct it is funny.

Bondra had 503 goals in 1081 games...or 0.47(in slightly lower scoring era)
Gartner had 708 goals in 1432 games...or 0.49 (in slightly higher scoring era)
Basically equalling the same scoring ability.

There was no nead what so ever for you to go:

"NO what a dumb comparison...thornton is way better then bondra...gartner on the other hand was a way better scorer then bondra making the comparison better!"

sansabri 02-12-2013 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAnnala (Post 59555879)
Well, not really a fair comparison since those two are elite goal scorers too.

Maybe Oates vs. Hull?

except it wasn't their goal scoring that made their teammates play way above expectations.

Dangler99* 02-12-2013 11:39 AM

Look at H.Sedin. The guy usued to score 10 goals a year with like 60 assists. Thats horrible.

Tuomaz 02-12-2013 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sansabri (Post 59555709)
you don't need great goal scorers when you have great playmakers.

Gretzky, Lemieux... etc,. made average players into 40-50 goal men.

Who were the average players Gretzky played with`?

TAnnala 02-12-2013 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sansabri (Post 59556025)
except it wasn't their goal scoring that made their teammates play way above expectations.

no it wasn't but they still don't match the OP criteria.

jbeck5 02-12-2013 11:44 AM

I like the oates vs hull argument.

In the 90s, i always thought of hull as the purest one-dimensional scorer, and as oates as the purest one-dimensional playmaker. That being said, i think hull was slightly better then oates...making me want to choose the playmaker less in this situation.

Dangler99* 02-12-2013 11:45 AM

Hull scored 86 goals. Oates assists are nice but 86 goals?

MastuhNinks 02-12-2013 11:46 AM

Playmaker, the Leafs have a lot of finishers but not a lot of playmakers. In fact our best playmaker (Kessel) would be scoring way more if he had a good playmaker to go with him.

Le Magnifique 66 02-12-2013 11:47 AM

Playmaker for me


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