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Lexicon 02-12-2013 02:45 PM

Where would Edmonton and Buffalo be?
 
Thomas Vanek was offer sheeted by the Oilers in 2007 for four first rounders. Those first rounders could have been Jordan Eberle, MPS, Taylor Hall, and Ryan Nugent Hopkins.

Now, would the Oil really have been that much better with Vanek to not get dead last in '10 and '11 to collect their first round picks?

Also, how would Buffalo fans react to losing Vanek over the past 5 years.

I'm not sure if this has been talked to death already, but I find it interesting to think of the possibilities where Vanek had been an Oiler over the past few years and Buffalo collecting Edmonton's picks.

Burke the Legend 02-12-2013 02:49 PM

Vanek is better than any of those guys

oXo Cube 02-12-2013 02:50 PM

Edmonton would look like Calgary did 3 or 4 years ago

Buffalo would be a worse NHL team but have a better looking prospect pipeline

I'll see this thread again in 2 weeks

Eichel 9 02-12-2013 02:51 PM

It would have been a tough hit for Buffalo fans since we lost Briere and Drury, imagine if we lost Briere/Drury/Vanek all in the span of one off-season, that would have been our top 3 scorers the previous year all gone.

SenzZen 02-12-2013 02:53 PM

2787.8 kms apart

ToursLepantoVienna 02-12-2013 02:54 PM

They'd still be in Alberta and New York, respectively. Is this a trick question?

Pierre Dagenais 02-12-2013 02:56 PM

Wow this thread has never been done before

Connor McDavid 02-12-2013 02:57 PM

It's impossible to say.

Machinehead 02-12-2013 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SenzZen (Post 59567231)
2787.8 kms apart

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToursLepantoVienna (Post 59567289)
They'd still be in Alberta and New York, respectively. Is this a trick question?


Kane One 02-12-2013 02:58 PM

Those picks wouldn't have been first overall. The Oilers would actually try to compete if they knew they weren't going to get their first round picks.

digdug41982 02-12-2013 02:59 PM

Two mediocre teams, just like now.

The Head Crusher 02-12-2013 03:42 PM

Eberle would not have been part of the 4 1st. The Eberle pick was Anaheim's original pick that we got from the Pronger trade. the oiler 1st was given to Anaheim during the Penner offer sheet afterwards which was then traded to buffalo who selected Tyler Myers.

Wheatking 02-12-2013 04:11 PM

People say they would have been a lot better with Vanek but it's tough to say. Keep in mind that the Oilers also wouldn't have had Dustin Penner.

2007-08
Penner: 82 games- 23 goals and 47 points
Vanek: 82 games- 36 goals and 64 points

- The Oilers finished 9th in the conference. Just 3 points out of the playoffs. With Vanek they likely make the playoffs. That means the Oilers pick isn't at 12th overall. So there is a chance that the Sabres don't end up with Tyer Myers.

2008-09
Penner: 78 games- 17 goals and 37 points
Vanek: 73 games- 40 goals and 64 points

- Vanek was a lot better than Penner this season. The Oilers finished 11th in the West. 6 points out of playoff spot. With Vanek the playoffs could have been a possibility and they definitely wouldn't have been drafting in the top 10. Probably more in the 13-20 range.

2009-10
Penner: 82 games- 32 goals and 63 points
Vanek: 71 games- 28 goals and 53 points

- Oilers were the worst team in the league by 12 points and Penner actually had a better season than Vanek. The Oilers still finish 30th, win the lottery. So the Sabres definitely end up with Hall or Seguin.

2010-11
Penner: 62 games- 21 goals and 39 points(Prorated: 80 games- 27 goals/50 points)
Vanek: 80 games- 32 goals and 73 points

- Oilers finished 30th again and were the worst team by 6 points. Vanek had a better year but Penner had almost no one to play with. Vanek probably doesn't have the same type of season he did with the Sabres considering Gagner would be his #1 center and Hemsky missed half the season. MAYBE he gets them out of the basement but I doubt it. The Sabres likely draft RNH and if not, definitely one of Landeskog, Huberdeau or Larsson.

sjshark91 02-12-2013 04:17 PM

Edmonton would have been a bubble team IMO.

vBurmi 02-12-2013 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Parker McDonald (Post 59567501)
Those picks wouldn't have been first overall. The Oilers would actually try to compete if they knew they weren't going to get their first round picks.

Agreed completely. I don't understand how some people can argue the Oilers aren't intentionally doing a slow rebuild (tanking, if you will). They're not getting serviceable veteran stop-gaps at any position and working their young players in to the lineup slowly, making them earn it. They're basically throwing the kids in to the deep end and letting them learn, all the while stockpiling early picks. That's not that different from a lot of rebuilding teams though, they're just being more obvious than most that they really don't care about winning now.

If they didn't have their first round picks, you'd have seen them be a lot more aggressive with free agent signings - not the big names of course, but signing good depth guys, ex. Jokinen and Ponikarovsky signings by the Jets last summer (another small market team but one that chooses to be semi-competitive while rebuilding).

molsonmuscle360 02-12-2013 05:05 PM

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

tsujimoto74 02-12-2013 05:38 PM

I've literally never seen a thread about this ever before. :sarcasm:

1) Eberle was not taken with Edmonton's pick -- that pick would not have belonged to Buffalo
2) If the Oilers get Vanek, A- he's a difference-maker on the ice, and B- it means they would've continued to pursue free agents and trades that made them more competitive; they would not have "tanked" or attempted to rebuild, especially knowing they didn't have their 1st rounders

3) Buffalo really didn't have much choice but to match. Drury left us for a childhood dream to play for NYR, and Briere was chased out by cheap ownership with dumb rules about contract negotiation. If we had let Vanek walk, we probably could've gotten Hall/RNH/etc with our own picks.

I Hate Chris Butler 02-12-2013 05:50 PM

Edmonton would literally have the exact same record with Vanek, nothing would change at all ever, as they do now and Buffalo would be rolling in 1st overall picks laughing.

Thesensation19 02-12-2013 05:53 PM

Tom Renney would probably still have his job and the Oilers would be near the end of the conference with no hope of a future.

Buffalo would have a return of the 2006 Sabres team lol.
A star packed team but then by 2013 they probably would get rid of 3/4 of them to save $$$.

McTankel 02-12-2013 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SenzZen (Post 59567231)
2787.8 kms apart

We in America don't know about dem KMs, where is dat conversion! :sarcasm:

5RingsAndABeer 02-12-2013 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burke the Legend (Post 59566959)
Vanek is better than any of those guys

Right now. Perhaps not in 3-4 years when they're all in their prime.

Eichel 9 02-12-2013 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thesensation19 (Post 59576079)
Tom Renney would probably still have his job and the Oilers would be near the end of the conference with no hope of a future.

Buffalo would have a return of the 2006 Sabres team lol.
A star packed team but then by 2013 they probably would get rid of 3/4 of them to save $$$.

Well we have a new owner now that is willing to spend up to the cap so unless we didn't have the room, the players would be signed.

premadonna 02-12-2013 06:20 PM

It's the monthly Vanek offer sheet thread!

dma0034 02-12-2013 06:35 PM

Sabres would be loaded with talent (without Vanek the Sabres' picks are higher and they'd have Edmonton's). There is no way to say what this team would look like but 9 1st rounders in 4 years would of meant this would be a stacked team in the future.

Brooklanders* 02-12-2013 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexicon (Post 59566703)
Thomas Vanek was offer sheeted by the Oilers in 2007 for four first rounders. Those first rounders could have been Jordan Eberle, MPS, Taylor Hall, and Ryan Nugent Hopkins.

Now, would the Oil really have been that much better with Vanek to not get dead last in '10 and '11 to collect their first round picks?

Also, how would Buffalo fans react to losing Vanek over the past 5 years.

I'm not sure if this has been talked to death already, but I find it interesting to think of the possibilities where Vanek had been an Oiler over the past few years and Buffalo collecting Edmonton's picks.

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