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KingWantsCup 02-13-2013 07:39 PM

All-Encompassing Tortorella/Sather Thread
 
The first quarter of the season is in the books and the Rangers are 7-5-0. They had a slow start but the team is currently on a three game winning streak.

Do you currently approve or disapprove of Torts? And did your opinion change from before the season to now?

SnowblindNYR 02-13-2013 07:42 PM

Approve 100%. He was behind the Rupp trade. He brought up Miller. Only negative is the powerplay I guess. But does he even run it? Isn't that Sullivan?

robwrx04 02-13-2013 07:48 PM

Approve. I'm curious to anyone who chooses disapprove.

KingWantsCup 02-13-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SnowblindNYR (Post 59665993)
Approve 100%. He was behind the Rupp trade. He brought up Miller. Only negative is the powerplay I guess. But does he even run it? Isn't that Sullivan?

Yes Sullivan is in charge of running our PP.


Torts positives:

Everything you said.

Torts negatives:

Guilty of overplaying top line. I personally would like to see either Nash or Gaborik on the second line to spread out scoring.

We are still routinely bent over by Pittsburgh. No progress there.

Krams 02-13-2013 07:48 PM

Voted no. Doesn't mean I want him fired. Means I'm sincerely disappointed in his stubbornness when it comes to not hiring a PP specialist.

Clowes Line 02-13-2013 07:49 PM

Approve. The powerplay ain't his fault and I have, and still do, like everything about the way he coaches. Although I do think he should give the players a bit more freedom to be creative.

nyr2k2 02-13-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SnowblindNYR (Post 59665993)
Approve 100%. He was behind the Rupp trade. He brought up Miller. Only negative is the powerplay I guess. But does he even run it? Isn't that Sullivan?

He's the head coach, the PP is ultimately his responsibility. It's a recurring problem, and it can't be blamed on poor personnel. He should be held accountable.

The frequent poor line changes are on the coach as well.

Otherwise, I think he has done a great job.

Krams 02-13-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Callys Chicken Parm (Post 59666939)
Approve. The powerplay ain't his fault and I have, and still do, like everything about the way he coaches. Although I do think he should give the players a bit more freedom to be creative.

It's Tortorella's team and the powerplay is an integral part of any hockey club. If Sullivan runs the powerplay and isn't doing a satisfactory job then Tortorella needs to recognize that make changes, perhaps relegating Sully to working with the defense and working with the PP personally or bringing in another coach. The system also should be tweaked considering the addition of Nash and the emergence of guys like Hagelin and Kreider. This team has enough offensive talent now to roll with the top teams in the East.

nyr2k2 02-13-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Callys Chicken Parm (Post 59666939)
Approve. The powerplay ain't his fault and I have, and still do, like everything about the way he coaches. Although I do think he should give the players a bit more freedom to be creative.

Whose fault is it? Sullivan's? Sullivan is Torts' boy and only here because of him. The PP has been atrocious for years. The head coach is responsible for his subordinates.

Clowes Line 02-13-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nyr2k2 (Post 59667695)
Whose fault is it? Sullivan's? Sullivan is Torts' boy and only here because of him. The PP has been atrocious for years. The head coach is responsible for his subordinates.

Isn't Sather responsible for them? Can Torts get rid of them? Or only request it?

OverTheCap 02-13-2013 08:00 PM

He's been fine considering the circumstances of the lockout and not having a full training camp.

I watched a "Behind the Bench" clip with him last week and he said that Richards, Cally, and Staal relayed to him that the team was getting too tired during practice. Torts said he was surprised that a 35-minute practice was tiring the team at this juncture, because it shouldn't be. I think there are a bunch of players who did not keep up with conditioning during the lockout and they are more out of shape than usual.

The PP is a cluster****, though. At this point, it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy - I think the players lack such confidence on the PP that it's bound to end up in failure.

SnowblindNYR 02-13-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KingWantsCup (Post 59666809)
Yes Sullivan is in charge of running our PP.


Torts positives:

Everything you said.

Torts negatives:

Guilty of overplaying top line. I personally would like to see either Nash or Gaborik on the second line to spread out scoring.

We are still routinely bent over by Pittsburgh. No progress there.

I assume you worded that wrong. That line has been split up for several games now. I do agree that he kept the top line together too long. Ironically one thing he gets criticized often for having a quick trigger finger with lines.

KingWantsCup 02-13-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SnowblindNYR (Post 59669311)
I assume you worded that wrong. That line has been split up for several games now. I do agree that he kept the top line together too long. Ironically one thing he gets criticized often for having a quick trigger finger with lines.

I just worded that poorly. He was doing that for a while. It was unbelievable the ice time the Nash-Richards-Gaborik line was getting early on.

SnowblindNYR 02-13-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KingWantsCup (Post 59669693)
I just worded that poorly. He was doing that for a while. It was unbelievable the ice time the Nash-Richards-Gaborik line was getting early on.

That line worked for like 2 games. In two games we were a 1 line, the rest we were a no line team. Really, they've been more effective with inferior players (not that guys like Hags and Stepan suck, just are not stars).

5 4 Fighting 02-13-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Callys Chicken Parm (Post 59667771)
Isn't Sather responsible for them? Can Torts get rid of them? Or only request it?


The funny thing is, Tortorella came into the league as a Powerplay coach. I have no idea why someone who has so much experience with the 5 on 4 concept doesn't utilize his knowledge. Why hand it over to Sullivan when he can barely get the defenseman over the boards in time not to get penalized? Something is fishy here, i'll chalk it up to miscommunication for the first quarter of this season, but we have alot of things to work on. Torts gets a B- from me so far.

Hockey Team 02-13-2013 08:19 PM

I chose disapprove because of the flower play.

He doesn't run it but he's the head coach. If the guy who runs the PP sucks (which he does), then it IS torts' responsibility to have that dealt with.

KingWantsCup 02-13-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockey Team (Post 59670267)
I chose disapprove because of the flower play.

He doesn't run it but he's the head coach. If the guy who runs the PP sucks (which he does), then it IS torts' responsibility to have that dealt with.

I personally don't think the PP sucking is enough to justify disapproval of Torts. Case and point: Claude Julien.

Giacomin 02-13-2013 09:40 PM

Torts is the man!

Kel Varnsen 02-13-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nyr2k2 (Post 59667259)
He's the head coach, the PP is ultimately his responsibility. It's a recurring problem, and it can't be blamed on poor personnel. He should be held accountable.

The frequent poor line changes are on the coach as well.


Otherwise, I think he has done a great job.

Really? These guys are professionals. How hard is it to not jump on until the guy you're going in for is jumping off? That's on the players. The PP problems should be focused more on the players as well although not to the same extent as the line change problems.

Coaches usually get too much credit when things are going well and too much blame when things are going poorly.

Killem Dafoe 02-13-2013 09:50 PM

Approve. Not sure what other coach will be an improvement. We need to work on PP and our players need to get more comfortable and some need to shake off some rust and get back into a groove. None of this has to do with our coach.

Machinehead 02-13-2013 09:59 PM

Approve or disapprove with no middle ground is a bit troubling for me.

I'm not in love with the guy, but we could do much worse. He has incredible strengths and frustrating weaknesses.

He's such a polarizing coach and figure that it's hard to give a straight yes or no.

If I have to pick one, for now I'll approve based on the success of last season.

Dorado* 02-13-2013 10:13 PM

Near worst PP In league
Poor in game adjustments
Over Plays favorites ( see brutal Bradley wade Richards )

Dorado* 02-13-2013 10:14 PM

Awful breakout plays

Hunter Gathers 02-13-2013 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyr2k2 (Post 59667259)
He's the head coach, the PP is ultimately his responsibility. It's a recurring problem, and it can't be blamed on poor personnel. He should be held accountable.

The frequent poor line changes are on the coach as well.

Otherwise, I think he has done a great job.

Agreed with everything here. Like always, we are on the same page. I assume jas agrees too. Hah.

Kershaw 02-13-2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorado (Post 59682221)
Awful breakout plays

This.


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