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StringerBell 02-14-2013 07:11 PM

Vancouver-Columbus
 
To Vancouver: Derek McKenzie
To Columbus: Andrew Ebbett/Dale Weise + 3rd round pick

With the loss of Malhotra the Canucks are now lacking a reliable left handed faceoff guy on their 4th line. Columbus looks to be building for the future so I figure there could be interest in adding a pick for a career 4th liner. The Jackets also receive a serviceable 4th liner of their own to go with the pick.

Thoughts?

Vankiller Whale 02-14-2013 07:13 PM

Have no idea who Mckenzie is, but I'd trade away Ebbett for free, so would do it if it's him. Would rather keep Weise, though.

Wizeman* 02-14-2013 08:43 PM

Columbus would get first crack at Ebbett on waivers so i guess he is just a freebie on this deal.

Is Weise and a 3rd worth this Mc Kenzie guy? I dont know much about him.

Virtanev 02-14-2013 08:45 PM

Agreed with VanKillerWhale. I'd do Ebbet in a heart beat, but not Weise.

StringerBell 02-14-2013 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizeman (Post 59742429)
Columbus would get first crack at Ebbett on waivers so i guess he is just a freebie on this deal.

Is Weise and a 3rd worth this Mc Kenzie guy? I dont know much about him.

MacKenzie would basically give us what Malhotra did except he can take an even strength shift. I personally don't care for Weise and I think Mackenzie is worth the 3rd.

Viqsi 02-14-2013 09:17 PM

Of the two, Weise seems preferable, but I think it'd ultimately be worth it with Ebbett instead regardless. Many of us love DMac, but he's likely to end up squeezed out with future roster considerations, so getting value for him would be a good idea.

Besides, it continues the ongoing tradition of us providing your defensive centers for y'all. ;)

Sergei Shirokov 02-14-2013 09:43 PM

I feel like we overpay.

For this price I would rather just give Pinnizzotto a shot and look elsewhere.

StringerBell 02-14-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Viqsi (Post 59746115)
Of the two, Weise seems preferable, but I think it'd ultimately be worth it with Ebbett instead regardless. Many of us love DMac, but he's likely to end up squeezed out with future roster considerations, so getting value for him would be a good idea.

Besides, it continues the ongoing tradition of us providing your defensive centers for y'all. ;)

I saw it exactly the same way. Hopefully we could do for DMac better than we did for Pahlsson as far as a playoff run is concerned!

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Originally Posted by Sergei Shirokov (Post 59748083)
I feel like we overpay.

For this price I would rather just give Pinnizzotto a shot and look elsewhere.

Pinizzotto's been injured for the past three months, so I don't see that working out.

Basically it's a 3rd round pick to upgrade Ebbett. MacKenzie's averaged 8 goals, 10 assists and 174 hits over the past two years (at 65 games per year), and 53.5% on faceoffs as a left hander. He's also signed through next year at $1 million. We gave up similar packages for Lapierre, Pahlsson and Higgins as UFA rentals. I think the value is pretty fair.

Sergei Shirokov 02-14-2013 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by StringerBell (Post 59749299)
I saw it exactly the same way. Hopefully we could do for DMac better than we did for Pahlsson as far as a playoff run is concerned!



Pinizzotto's been injured for the past three months, so I don't see that working out.

Basically it's a 3rd round pick to upgrade Ebbett. MacKenzie's averaged 8 goals, 10 assists and 174 hits over the past two years (at 65 games per year), and 53.5% on faceoffs as a left hander. He's also signed through next year at $1 million. We gave up similar packages for Lapierre, Pahlsson and Higgins as UFA rentals. I think the value is pretty fair.

I think those players are all a bit better. This 3rd is more valuable too. Just look at the market right now, Tangradi went for a 7th, Loktionov went for a 5th, Ellerby went for a 5th, Ponikarovsky went for a 4th and 7th.

After looking at that list I don't know how the case could be made Mackenzie is worth a 3rd+.

StringerBell 02-14-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sergei Shirokov (Post 59749395)
I think those players are all a bit better. This 3rd is more valuable too. Just look at the market right now, Tangradi went for a 7th, Loktionov went for a 5th, Ellerby went for a 5th, Ponikarovsky went for a 4th and 7th.

After looking at that list I don't know how the case could be made Mackenzie is worth a 3rd+.

Tangredi hasn't proven to be an NHL player. He was given a chance for the last three seasons in Pittsburgh and has one goal to show for it. Loktionov asked for a trade and the Kings took what they could get. Ellerby hasn't shown to be a capable NHL player yet either. Ponikarovsky is UFA at the end of the year.

A third might be a touch high, but a 4th is probably a touch low. Either way I think the value is pretty fair.

Sergei Shirokov 02-14-2013 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by StringerBell (Post 59750047)
Tangredi hasn't proven to be an NHL player. He was given a chance for the last three seasons in Pittsburgh and has one goal to show for it. Loktionov asked for a trade and the Kings took what they could get. Ellerby hasn't shown to be a capable NHL player yet either. Ponikarovsky is UFA at the end of the year.

A third might be a touch high, but a 4th is probably a touch low. Either way I think the value is pretty fair.

He's really a journeyman depth player. I would do Ebbett + 4th maybe at the most, but I don't think he is worth more than that myself.

And I know the players are different, but the point is they are all more valuable than Mckenzie, even with the circumstances attached.

Viqsi 02-14-2013 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sergei Shirokov (Post 59750337)
He's really a journeyman depth player. I would do Ebbett + 4th maybe at the most, but I don't think he is worth more than that myself.

If it's a choice between that and just a 3rd, we'd prefer the 3rd. We stand a chance of losing our 3rd this year (it goes to NYR unless they make the Cup finals), so insurance would be nice.

Sergei Shirokov 02-14-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Viqsi (Post 59750731)
If it's a choice between that and just a 3rd, we'd prefer the 3rd. We stand a chance of losing our 3rd this year (it goes to NYR unless they make the Cup finals), so insurance would be nice.

I just don't think he is worth a 3rd honestly. Especially this year.

Vankiller Whale 02-14-2013 10:44 PM

I don't see why Vancouver fans are panicking to get a replacement for Malhotra. We're currently 8-2-2, and will be replacing Malhotra with Kesler for the next game. We'll be fine. If push comes to shove we can acquire someone at the deadline, but I don't think it's needed.

Mayor Bee 02-14-2013 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Viqsi (Post 59750731)
If it's a choice between that and just a 3rd, we'd prefer the 3rd. We stand a chance of losing our 3rd this year (it goes to NYR unless they make the Cup finals), so insurance would be nice.

I'm just curious to see what the trade market looks like this year. There could be 20 teams looking at buying, and I can see insane prices being thrown around for marginal and average players.

Viqsi 02-14-2013 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mayor Bee (Post 59751111)
I'm just curious to see what the trade market looks like this year. There could be 20 teams looking at buying, and I can see insane prices being thrown around for marginal and average players.

If we could get an insanity price for DMac, you damn well bet I'd take it. :D But given the prices going around right now, I'm not sure how likely that is.

Then again, I've never seen the market in operation in a shortened season and thus what effects that has. :dunno:

Sergei Shirokov 02-14-2013 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Viqsi (Post 59751197)
If we could get an insanity price for DMac, you damn well bet I'd take it. :D But given the prices going around right now, I'm not sure how likely that is.

Then again, I've never seen the market in operation in a shortened season and thus what effects that has. :dunno:

Yeah the market has been bizarre lately. I thought the Loktionov for 5th deal was just a one off, then we saw Ellerby for a 5th, Tangradi for a 7th and Ponikarovsky for 4th + 7th.

Trade deadline day will certainty be interesting this year. :laugh:

StringerBell 02-14-2013 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sergei Shirokov (Post 59750337)
He's really a journeyman depth player. I would do Ebbett + 4th maybe at the most, but I don't think he is worth more than that myself.

And I know the players are different, but the point is they are all more valuable than Mckenzie, even with the circumstances attached.

This is where we disagree I guess.

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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 59750993)
I don't see why Vancouver fans are panicking to get a replacement for Malhotra. We're currently 8-2-2, and will be replacing Malhotra with Kesler for the next game. We'll be fine. If push comes to shove we can acquire someone at the deadline, but I don't think it's needed.

Personally I just don't like Weise. I think he's more of a bad 3rd liner than a good 4th liner. He lacks direction in his play. It's probably an unfounded dislike, but it's a strong one.

I would much rather have a 4th line of Higgins-MacKenzie-Lapierre than Higgins-Lapierre-Weise.

Wizeman* 02-15-2013 12:16 AM

Interesting thread. I would prefer we go after Raffe Torres instead.

Viqsi 02-15-2013 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wizeman (Post 59753773)
Interesting thread. I would prefer we go after Raffe Torres instead.

Because, y'know, Vancouver just isn't quite hated enough. ;)

I suspect Phoenix would prefer to keep him, but I dunno. :dunno:

Scottrockztheworld* 02-15-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizeman (Post 59753773)
Interesting thread. I would prefer we go after Raffe Torres instead.

If you want him at least spell his name right: Raffi


also rumor has it he wasn't liked in the room. Not going to happen if thats truthful.

Sergei Shirokov 02-15-2013 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizeman (Post 59753773)
Interesting thread. I would prefer we go after Raffe Torres instead.

I wouldn't.

Kassian brings his physicality. But is better in every other area and knows when to hit and when not to hit.

Higgins or Raymond (The way he is playing) is a major upgrade over Raffi as a 3rd Line LWer right now anyways and no reason to waste assets to use him on the 4th when we have Volpatti & Weise.

mstad101 02-15-2013 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sergei Shirokov (Post 59795863)
I wouldn't.

Kassian brings his physicality. But is better in every other area and knows when to hit and when not to hit.

Higgins or Raymond (The way he is playing) is a major upgrade over Raffi as a 3rd Line LWer right now anyways and no reason to waste assets to use him on the 4th when we have [B]Volpatti & Weise.[B]

Both players will be sitting once Booth is back as well. Volpatti at least knows his role but is a terrible hockey player. Dale "Muffins" Weise is just a waste of a roster spot right now. Someone will be exposed to waivers with Booth returning and Schroeder not being sent down most likely.

ttam103 02-15-2013 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 59750993)
I don't see why Vancouver fans are panicking to get a replacement for Malhotra. We're currently 8-2-2, and will be replacing Malhotra with Kesler for the next game. We'll be fine. If push comes to shove we can acquire someone at the deadline, but I don't think it's needed.

I don't know if we're panicing. I was always felt safe that for big faceoffs we would have sedin/maholtra or kesler/lapierre in case someone gets tossed from the dot.

I'm sure we'll be fine.

Sergei Shirokov 02-16-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mstad101 (Post 59804075)
Both players will be sitting once Booth is back as well. Volpatti at least knows his role but is a terrible hockey player. Dale "Muffins" Weise is just a waste of a roster spot right now. Someone will be exposed to waivers with Booth returning and Schroeder not being sent down most likely.

Ebbett will be sent down.

With Manny being placed on LTIR I'm pretty sure only 1 player will have to go.


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