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Stars23* 02-15-2013 06:35 PM

Soviet Union beat Canada (4-3) 1991 Canada Cup
 
Watched the game again after a long time - Soviet Union actually beat Team Canada (4-3) in the 1991 Canada Cup.

Team Canada ref's waived off the good Goal by the Soviets (nothing happened at all) and even the announcers couldn't believe it. The refs and Canada were panicking over being beaten by kids.

Probable one the best Games all time (Internationally).


The Soviet Unions C (filled with 18-20 year olds) beat Canada fair and square.

Going to post a clip of the Goal tonight/tomorrow but full game is on Youtube somewhere also.

JackSlater 02-15-2013 06:57 PM

True, it was a good game. I am struggling to understand the purpose though (other than trolling) because there is nothing to discuss.

Stars23* 02-15-2013 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JackSlater (Post 59790493)
True, it was a good game. I am struggling to understand the purpose though (other than trolling) because there is nothing to discuss.

Calm down. lots to discuss - you trolling here cause it's true? Controlling games/Cheating is significant enough for more in-depth look

Come back and check later and you can see the video itself.

A bunch of 18 year old Soviets beating the last Undefeated team in Canada Cups and Olympics history (decades before and after).

JackSlater 02-15-2013 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stars23 (Post 59792897)
Calm down. lots to discuss - you trolling here cause it's true? Controlling games/Cheating is significant enough for more in-depth look

Come back and check later and you can see the video itself.

A bunch of 18 year old Soviets beating the last Undefeated team in Canada Cups and Olympics history (decades before and after).

It is obvious trolling due to your post history, mainly an obvious anti-Canada agenda. In any event, the game was a tie. If you want to discuss that goal/non-goal, then post the video or at least describe it. I remember something shady from the game.

As far as Canada losing to an inferior opponent (though this was not a loss), this example does not match the shock of losing to say... Switzerland in 2006. There is also the fact that you are lying about the composition of the Soviet team. It was a very young Soviet team, and definitely not close to the best available, but they were not a bunch of 18 year-olds. The majority were in their 20s, and they also featured Kasatonov of all people.

The lack of discussion relates to your original post, bereft of any leading points. Just you listing some facts and some of your opinions, with no direction or questions.

Stars23* 02-15-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JackSlater (Post 59795665)
It is obvious trolling due to your post history, mainly an obvious anti-Canada agenda. In any event, the game was a tie. If you want to discuss that goal/non-goal, then post the video or at least describe it. I remember something shady from the game.

As far as Canada losing to an inferior opponent (though this was not a loss), this example does not match the shock of losing to say... Switzerland in 2006. There is also the fact that you are lying about the composition of the Soviet team. It was a very young Soviet team, and definitely not close to the best available, but they were not a bunch of 18 year-olds. The majority were in their 20s, and they also featured Kasatonov of all people.

The lack of discussion relates to your original post, bereft of any leading points. Just you listing some facts and some of your opinions, with no direction or questions.

You need glasses? I said I would post the video tonight or tomorrow - stop bothering me and get a life.

Just because i post something you don't like and you start going ape, relax

JackSlater 02-15-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stars23 (Post 59799809)
You need glasses? I said I would post the video tonight or tomorrow - stop bothering me and get a life.

I don't need glasses. If you're going to get the video, then it makes sense to wait until you actually have the video before creating the thread. As it stands, what you have done is basically pointless as all you have given are your own inflammatory opinions with a few lies tossed in.

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Originally Posted by Stars23 (Post 59799809)
Just because i post something you don't like and you start going ape, relax

You keep telling me to calm down or relax, and yet I am not hostile. The hostility will be coming to the thread soon though, I'm sure. I expect you didn't make a ridiculous thread and then expect a bunch of posters to come in here and marvel at your insights.

Stars23* 02-15-2013 10:30 PM

Now back to the topic (not going to answer you unless you have a real question)........


This game was one of the best I have ever seen to be honest (for people who like discuss).

Team Canada got some real quality chaces but Mikhail Shtalenkov stood on his head with most of the Soviet Team with 18-23 years olds and a few older but this was the Soviet B/C team missing 3/4 of the top players and still managed to Beat*/Tie a awesome Team Canada with prime Gretzky.

Gretzky even schooled Fedorov pretty hard, taught the youngster a lesson with a Hard Deke-Fake.

Stars23* 02-16-2013 12:20 AM

Here you go - Make sure to see the Slow-Mo on 2:29



Stars23* 02-16-2013 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Stars23 (Post 59816355)
Here you go - Make sure to see the Slow-Mo on 2:29

Sorry here


Stars23* 02-16-2013 12:28 AM

If you watch on Youtube large viewer in 480p - you can clearly see the puck go over the line - confirmed by Goal Judge and both Announcers

Mr Writer 02-16-2013 04:30 AM

nothing really of much interest to discuss here. A disallowed goal, a referee's error... must be the first in the history of sport I guess that an official made an error. I suppect the OP would like to take the conversation in another direction though.
I don't see how much of a reasonable debate can come out of a disallowed goal. It was a long time ago. The only thing I remember of the 91 CC was that it was Eric Lindros' coming out party. Have fun, but I'll be ignoring this useless thread. (personal opinion)

JackSlater 02-16-2013 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Stars23 (Post 59809481)
You should because you're trying to start a fight and I'm here for discussing the game, but you seem intent on trolling by:

I am enjoying your "who me?!" act. The very first sentence in your OP is a lie. The game ended as a tie, and yet you say that USSR actually won. The very next sentence involves you saying that the refs were basically Team Canada members, and then they colluded to keep the team from losing to USSR. You then lie, or at the very least mislead, about the age of the Soviet team to make their performance seem significantly more impressive. I mainly see wishful thinking.

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Originally Posted by Stars23 (Post 59809481)
Going to report this to a Mod if you continue.

Feel free.

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Originally Posted by Stars23 (Post 59809481)
Now stop acting like this, and show some respect to opinions without going crazy.

I am posting about your opinion, and the content of the posts. Both of which are pretty poor, and thus my own posts convey this.

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Originally Posted by Stars23 (Post 59816427)
Sorry here


Thank you for posting the video. Now, I agree that the goal puck probably completely crossed the threshold, though just barely. That said, the video is not conclusive due to the terrible angle. It doesn't look like the ref had a very good angle either. The refs undoubtedly did prefer Canada, but this non-goal is not exactly proof of collusion as you have stated.

Jussi 02-16-2013 12:06 PM

Oh yeah? Well Finland was the rightful winner in the semifinal in Nagano because Janne Niinimaa.

Stars23* 02-16-2013 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jussi (Post 59829087)
Oh yeah? Well Finland was the rightful winner in the semifinal in Nagano because Janne Niinimaa.

Finland had 3 more Goals disallowed? lol

Stars23* 02-16-2013 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Writer (Post 59819817)
nothing really of much interest to discuss here. A disallowed goal, a referee's error... I don't see how much of a reasonable debate can come out of a disallowed goal. It was a long time ago. The only thing I remember of the 91 CC was that it was Eric Lindros' coming out party. Have fun, but I'll be ignoring this useless thread. (personal opinion)

Ignore if you want - you know the Truth now (and everyone else will around the world - Youtube) and that's all I need.

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Originally Posted by JackSlater (Post 59822825)
Thank you for posting the video. Now, I agree that the goal puck probably completely crossed the threshold, though just barely. That said, the video is not conclusive due to the terrible angle. It doesn't look like the ref had a very good angle either. The refs undoubtedly did prefer Canada, but this non-goal is not exactly proof of collusion as you have stated.

It's called the "Labatt Canada Cup" run by a Beer company - with North American Ref's, on small ice.

I could see (and many others) that collusion is a valid point. 1972*-1987*-1996* in Canada Cups & 2008*-2011* for World Championships Russia-Canada games had well known major ethical issue(s).


The referee (as the announcers said) that he had a perfect view. He saw the goal going in and waived it off (NO REASONING GIVEN* and NO VIDEO REPLAY*)

So CTV Crews only have Video-Replay technology? lol Or they didn't want to Review because they already knew it went it.

Mehar 02-16-2013 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jussi (Post 59829087)
Oh yeah? Well Finland was the rightful winner in the semifinal in Nagano because Janne Niinimaa.

LOL. Everyone knows Stars23 is a troll and not to be taken seriously. Have fun kid, since every forum can use a clown to lighten things up.

Stars23* 02-16-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mehar (Post 59849931)
LOL. Everyone knows Stars23 is a troll and not to be taken seriously. Have fun kid, since every forum can use a clown to lighten things up.

Wow- so much crying over my Video proof - Guess I touched a nerve lol Soviet union won that's all I'm saying

JackSlater 02-16-2013 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Stars23* (Post 59843861)
Ignore if you want - you know the Truth now (and everyone else will around the world - Youtube) and that's all I need.

The truth is out there. I want to believe!

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Originally Posted by Stars23* (Post 59843861)
It's called the "Labatt Canada Cup" run by a Beer company - with North American Ref's, on small ice.

True.

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Originally Posted by Stars23* (Post 59843861)
I could see (and many others) that collusion is a valid point. 1972*-1987*-1996* in Canada Cups & 2008*-2011* for World Championships Russia-Canada games had well known major ethical issue(s).

You will have to enlighten me on the 2008-2011 ethical issues.


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Originally Posted by Stars23* (Post 59843861)
The referee (as the announcers said) that he had a perfect view. He saw the goal going in and waived it off (NO REASONING GIVEN* and NO VIDEO REPLAY*)

Even if the referee did have the perfect view, and I don't think he did, this does not prove anything singlehandedly. You do realize that the possibility exists that the puck did not actually go in?

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Originally Posted by Stars23* (Post 59843861)
So CTV Crews only have Video-Replay technology? lol Or they didn't want to Review because they already knew it went it.

Well my friend, considering that the NHL did not yet use video replay I would guess that the refs did not have it available to them. If it was available, then I agree that they should have used it. Had that video been the only one available, there would not have been sufficient evidence to overturn anything.

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Originally Posted by Stars23* (Post 59850121)
Wow- so much crying over my Video proof - Guess I touched a nerve lol Soviet union won that's all I'm saying

Your assumptions are quite comical. I have to give credit to the USSR hockey team - they're the only team good enough that they win even in games that end in a tie or loss.

Mr Kanadensisk 02-16-2013 08:39 PM

I kind of get a chuckle out of this thread since just two or three days ago in one of the OP's many deleted posts he stated he absolutely didn't care about the Canada Cup. Then right after that he started this thread about a fairly insignificant round robin game from over 20 years ago.

EbencoyE 02-17-2013 06:22 AM

NHL refs for ya. Obviously they are going to prefer their own country, especially against the "evil empire". that's why the IIHF doesn't allow referees to work games involving their own country, and also why the Canada/World Cup was a joke. Well, in addition to the fact that Europeans didn't care about it and that it was always held on North American ice.

Mr Writer 02-17-2013 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EbencoyE (Post 59881547)
NHL refs for ya. Obviously they are going to prefer their own country, especially against the "evil empire". that's why the IIHF doesn't allow referees to work games involving their own country, and also why the Canada/World Cup was a joke. Well, in addition to the fact that Europeans didn't care about it and that it was always held on North American ice.

The referee in that game was Paul Stewart. An American who is now Director of Officiating for the KHL, or assisting/consulting the KHL. Oh, how little people know of the history of the sport.

EbencoyE 02-17-2013 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Writer (Post 59881697)
The referee in that game was Paul Stewart. An American who is now Director of Officiating for the KHL, or assisting/consulting the KHL. Oh, how little people know of the history of the sport.

Americans are North Americans too. In fact, I might even go so far as to say Americans hated the "evil empire" (as President Reagan put it) more than the Canadians did.

Not sure what the KHL has to do with anything, as the KHL is a Russian league, not a Soviet league. Meaning they're nice and capitalist now. Nothing to worry about.

Mr Writer 02-17-2013 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by EbencoyE (Post 59881775)
Americans are North Americans too. In fact, I might even go so far as to say Americans hated the "evil empire" (as President Reagan put it) more than the Canadians did.

Not sure what the KHL has to do with anything, as the KHL is a Russian league, not a Soviet league. Meaning they're nice and capitalist now. Nothing to worry about.

That's not what you said, but I was only correcting your statement "from their own country" Generally only people from Europe lump the two together. Now, you being an American, (If in fact you are?) surely you are not suggesting that America is Canada and Canada is America. From the tone of your 1st post to which I responded, it sounds pretty much like you have a particular anti-Canadian bias yourself, so much so that makes me wonder, the identity of the person who opened this thread to begin with. I have my suspensions that the OP is a ghost account to stir up **** just a little. Just sayin.

Anyway, it's Hockey Day in America. "A great Day for Hockey." You know who uttered those infamous words?

This is a troll thread to begin with and should be shut down by the MODs immediately. Or else I'll go to the international forum and start a discussion on 50 years of cheating by the IIHF. I'm sure that will stir up similar debate.

EbencoyE 02-17-2013 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Writer (Post 59881857)
That's not what you said, but I was only correcting your statement "from their own country" Generally only people from Europe lump the two together. Now, you being an American, (If in fact you are?) surely you are not suggesting that America is Canada and Canada is America. From the tone of your 1st post to which I responded, it sounds pretty much like you have a particular anti-Canadian bias yourself, so much so that makes me wonder, the identity of the person who opened this thread to begin with. I have my suspensions that the OP is a ghost account to stir up **** just a little. Just sayin.

Anyway, it's Hockey Day in America. "A great Day for Hockey." You know who uttered those infamous words?

This is a troll thread to begin with and should be shut down by the MODs immediately. Or else I'll go to the international forum and start a discussion on 50 years of cheating by the IIHF. I'm sure that will stir up similar debate.

I didn't know Stewart was American, but that doesn't change the point I made at all. Americans and Canadians both hated the Soviet Union for whatever reason the propaganda at the time told them to hate them for.

The Canada/World Cup was obviously a North American-biased tournament. Not sure how you could refute that.

I'd love to see your thread on "cheating" by the IIHF though, give it a shot. I'm sure it will make us North American fans continue to look fantastic on an obviously biased HFBoards.

Mr Writer 02-17-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EbencoyE (Post 59882233)
I didn't know Stewart was American, but that doesn't change the point I made at all. Americans and Canadians both hated the Soviet Union for whatever reason the propaganda at the time told them to hate them for.

The Canada/World Cup was obviously a North American-biased tournament. Not sure how you could refute that.

I'd love to see your thread on "cheating" by the IIHF though, give it a shot. I'm sure it will make us North American fans continue to look fantastic on an obviously biased HFBoards.

so much so I was inspired to get a Masters Degree in Russian Studies, live and study in Russia for 2 years, become fluent in Russian and make Russia my career where currently I live in Moscow for much of the year. 6-8 months of the year anyway. But I only caught the tail end of the so called "evil empire". Don't really remember the heights of the cold war.... too young.


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