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thomas vanek 02-16-2013 02:59 PM

Centers. Does anyone realize....
 
That at the moment we have the 12th and 16th highest scoring centers in the league? So it would be perfectly accurate to say that we have two top-20 centers at the moment, and they're both young. I like this.

Fire Lindy 02-16-2013 03:00 PM

You could say we have two top 20 centers in scoring at the moment through 15 games, but we don't have one top 20 center at the moment imo. They aren't good enough defensively to be considered top centers. To me, your top center has to be good both ways or be exceptionally good offensively (stamkos).

I do feel really good about Hodgson though.

GodHatesBuffalo 02-16-2013 03:21 PM

Ennis is the second coming

Top Pair Imposter 02-16-2013 03:25 PM

Two top-20 offensive centers, this year? Sure. All-around I'd say we have 0 in any given year. Maybe Hodgson gets there next year.

kirby11 02-16-2013 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GodHatesBuffalo (Post 59837421)
Ennis is the second coming

Not sure if serious or trolling people who think ennis is that good...
And our center situation is still not that good although I think Hodgson is on the path to becoming a good #1. Ennis, not so much. I really don't see him as a viable, long term solution as the 2nd guy, either. He's just such a defensive liability. I'd prefer we get another guy who can be the 2nd line center/take tough defensive minutes so ennis can either center a 3rd scoring line or move back to top 6 as a winger

Zip15 02-16-2013 03:42 PM

Isn't that where Darcy got in trouble with his "two top-20 centers comment?" I believe he relied on PPG to rationalize it.

Dale Cooper 02-16-2013 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zip15 (Post 59838367)
Isn't that where Darcy got in trouble with his "two top-20 centers comment?" I believe he relied on PPG to rationalize it.

:laugh: Yeah I seem to recall something along those lines...in addition to our elite defense quote from Quinn...

kcoxsabresfan 02-16-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Foligno and Barnes (Post 59836565)
You could say we have two top 20 centers in scoring at the moment through 15 games, but we don't have one top 20 center at the moment imo. They aren't good enough defensively to be considered top centers. To me, your top center has to be good both ways or be exceptionally good offensively.

I do feel really good about Hodgson though.

Agreed

lifeisruff 02-16-2013 04:41 PM

Production,Roy was always in the top 20 among centers, of course Hodgson is only in his second year, so we can still hope for more.

Rhett4 02-16-2013 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lifeisruff (Post 59841383)
Production,Roy was always in the top 20 among centers, of course Hodgson is only in his second year, so we can still hope for more.

Roy was also defensively responsible, too. He didn't have the best attitude, but he was a solid, 70-point 1B center in this league. The problem was that the Sabres never had the 2A center necessary to provide depth down the middle. Oh Connolly...

PlamsUnlimited 02-16-2013 05:04 PM

I just wish our centers were a little more Ott-ish, at least one of the bottom centers. I feel lacking.

tsujimoto74 02-16-2013 05:29 PM

Ennis hasn't been getting much love here lately (I get it, he's a small one-way player, not the "kind of player you win with," etc.), but he's by FAR the most productive player we have outside of VHP. He's been doing a commendable job this year in a secondary scoring role where he's no longer getting easy match-ups.

That said, he still stinks defensively, and Hodgson has a ways to go in that regard too. I don't think either is truly a top 20 center in the league right now. But I'm happy with how both have performed so far this year, and I have really high hopes for Hodgson in particular in the future.

Rasmus Reichel 02-16-2013 06:14 PM

Briere was a defensive liability and everyone loved him, not sure why ennis gets so much hate. If he produces who cares

New Sabres Captain 02-16-2013 06:33 PM

Remember guys like Kesler/Spezza have been hurt. But defense does have to factor in somewhat.

It's good to see our young centers produce, that's for sure.

stokes84 02-16-2013 06:34 PM

Ennis being a sinkhole defensively is a myth. He'll never be a selke candidate, but he's not nearly as bad as people make it out.

vcv 02-16-2013 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zip15 (Post 59838367)
Isn't that where Darcy got in trouble with his "two top-20 centers comment?" I believe he relied on PPG to rationalize it.

Yes, with Connolly and Roy. People wanted Connolly gone at that point too.

start winnin 02-16-2013 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stokes84 (Post 59847313)
Ennis being a sinkhole defensively is a myth. He'll never be a selke candidate, but he's not nearly as bad as people make it out.

I agree. I don't know where this is coming from.

Rasmus Reichel 02-16-2013 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stokes84 (Post 59847313)
Ennis being a sinkhole defensively is a myth. He'll never be a selke candidate, but he's not nearly as bad as people make it out.

Ya, he's below average but definitely not as bad as people on here make him out to be

Fire Lindy 02-16-2013 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheyAreGoodScaryGood (Post 59845731)
Briere was a defensive liability and everyone loved him, not sure why ennis gets so much hate. If he produces who cares

Briere was also producing at more than a PPG for us, can't really complain about defense when you're putting up elite numbers.

I do agree that the Ennis hate is unwarranted though, he's doing exactly what he was drafted to do. Blame Darcy for not acquiring a center that we can count on defensively, Ennis is more suited as a winger IMO, even though he has produced quite well as a center. No one should be complaining about Ennis' game so far though, he's been the most productive player outside of the top line.

HockeyH3aven 02-16-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheyAreGoodScaryGood (Post 59848221)
Ya, he's below average but definitely not as bad as people on here make him out to be

I wouldn't call him below average. He takes the puck away and gets it out a lot. Almost all of his lines zone time comes because he skates the puck out of the Sabres end.

ZZamboni 02-17-2013 12:08 AM

I don't know where anyone on this forum is reading most of the comments regarding Ennis, and then being intellectually honest with yourself, you come to the logical conclusion that there's actual honest to god "hate" for him.

:loony:


I've seen critical judgements, or opinions. I've seen facts. I've seen predictions of his future. I've seen trade proposals.

I can't seem to find enough hateful comments to count on one hand regarding Ennis overall as a Sabre. Little snide comments during games is just knee jerk snap observations. Not overall hatred for the guy :dunno:

cybresabre 02-17-2013 01:07 AM

Hodgson is tied for 4th in the league (any position) with 13 even strength points.

Myllz 02-17-2013 01:11 AM

Right now we have one top 20 center mainly because of his linemates, and one top 20 winger who's currently playing center out of necessity. Hodgson has potential to stay top 20 for his career, but Ennis should go back to the wing when other centers are on the roster.

Push Dr Tracksuit 02-17-2013 01:23 AM

And we have a third center that is currently playing at a PPG pace. Way to go Leino!

jBuds 02-17-2013 04:20 AM

Barf


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