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Crafton 02-17-2013 12:01 AM

Winger Acquisition Thread | Part IV: In the Time Before Wingers Came into the World
 
WINGERZ

lets keep all winger acquisition talk here.

Player
Shoots
Age
Current Team
Playoffs
Cap Hit
Signed Till
Role
Attainability
Corey Perry
RW/RHS
27
Anaheim
In Contention
$5,325,000
2012-13
Crosby's Dream
Pending UFA
Bobby Ryan
RW/RHS
25
Anaheim
In Contention
$5,100,000
2014-15
Crosby's Dream
Pure Fantasy
Thomas Vanek
LW/RHS
29
Buffalo
On the Bubble
$7,142,857
2013-14
Crosby's Sniper
ein Mann Verbrennung
Drew Stafford
RW/RHS
27
Buffalo
On the Bubble
$4,000,000
2014-15
Crosby's School-Chum
Playing on Third Line
Alex Semin
RW/RHS
28
Carolina
In Contention
$7,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Hired Gun
Pending UFA
RJ Umberger
LW/LHS
30
Columbus
Not Likely
$4,600,000
2016-17
Malkin's Kunitz?
Burdensome Contract?
Alex Tanguay
LW/LHS
33
Calgary
Not Likely
$3,500,000
2015-16
Crosby's Third Wheel
Impending Youth Movement?
Curtis Glencross
LW/LHS
30
Calgary
No Likely
$2,550,000
2014-15
Crosby's Third Wheel
Hockey Trade?
Jarome Iginla
RW/RHS
35
Calgary
Not Likely
$7,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Olympian
Pending UFA, Bourque-ing
Lee Stempniak
RW/RHS
30
Calgary
Not Likely
$2,500,000
2013-14
Crosby's Lee Remick
Impending Youth Movement?
Viktor Stålberg
RW/LHS
27
Chicago
In Contention
$875,000
2012-13
Crosby's TFK?
Ample Forward Depth?
Jamie McGinn
LW/LHS
24
Colorado
Not Likely
$1,750,000
2013-14
Crosby's Kunitz
Ample Forward Depth?
David Jones
RW/RHS
28
Colorado
Not Likely
$4,000,000
2015-16
Crosby's Pop-Star
Ample Forward Depth?
Ray Whitney
LW/RHS
40
Dallas
In Contention
$4,500,000
2013-14
Crosby's Wizard
Ample Forward Depth?
Brenden Morrow
LW/LHS
34
Dallas
In Contention
$4,100,000
2012-13
Crosby's Guerin
busted down and worn out
Jaromír Jágr
RW/LHS
40
Dallas
In Contention
$4,550,000
2012-13
Crosby's Troll
Pending UFA, Nostalgia
Michael Ryder
RW/RHS
32
Dallas
In Contention
$3,500,000
2012-13
Crosby's Sniper
Pending UFA
Johan Franzen
RW/LHS
33
Detroit
In Contention
$3,954,545
2019-20
Crosby's Mule
Dat Contract, Dat Inconsistency
Aleš Hemský
RW/RHS
29
Edmonton
On the Bubble
$5,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Playmaker
Youth Movement?
Magnus Pääjärvi
LW/LHS
21
Edmonton
On the Bubble
$1,525,000
2012-13
Malkin's Kunitz?
Ample Forward Depth?
Alexei Kovalev
RW/LHS
39
Florida
Not Likely
$1,450,000
2012-13
TDL Seller?
Peter Mueller
RW/RHS
24
Florida
Not Likely
$1,725,000
2012-13
Crosby's Running Mate
TDL Seller?
Charlie Coyle
RW/RHS
20
Minnesota
On the Bubble
$975,000
2014-15
Crosby's Neal
Ample Forward Depth?
Dany Heatley
LW/LHS
32
Minnesota
On the Bubble
$7,500,000
2013-14
Not Crosby's Driver
Burdensome Contract?
PM Bouchard
LW/LHS
28
Minnesota
On the Bubble
$4,080,000
2012-13
Crosby's Quiet Room Bud
Pending UFA
Devin Setoguchi
RW/RHS
26
Minnesota
On the Bubble
$3,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Neal
Hockey Trade?
Brian Gionta
RW/RHS
34
Montréal
In Contention
$5,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Midget
Overpriced Veteran
Colin Wilson
LW/LHS
23
Nashville
In Contention
$2,000,000
2014-15
Crosby's Neal
Hockey Trade?
Patric Hörnqvist
RW/RHS
26
Nashville
In Contention
$3,083,333
2012-13
Crosby's Net-Front Screen
Pending RFA
Nino Niederreiter
RW/LHS
20
NY Islanders
On the Bubble
$2,795,000
2013-14
Crosby's Neal
Katie Strang Report
Radim Vrbata
RW/RHS
31
Phoenix
In Contention
$3,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Sniper
Hockey Trade?
Ryane Clowe
LW/LHS
30
San Jose
In Contention
$3,625,000
2012-13
Crosby's Kunitz
Pending UFA
Chris Stewart
RW/RHS
25
St. Louis
In Contention
$3,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Neal
Little Hope, RFA, Hockey Trade?
Ryan Malone
LW/LHS
33
Tampa Bay
In Contention
$4,500,000
2014-15
Overpaid Veteran
Clarke MacArthur
LW/LHS
27
Toronto
In Contention
$3,250,000
2012-13
Crosby's Big Chief
Underwhelming Performance, UFA
Николай Кулёмин
LW/LHS
26
Toronto
In Contention
$2,800,000
2013-14
Malkin's BFF
Underwhelming Performance
Blake Wheeler
RW/RHS
26
Winnipeg
Not Likely
$2,550,000
2012-13
Crosby's Tyger
Little Hope, Pending RFA

Crafton 02-17-2013 12:01 AM

thread title comes from a reference in William Gaddis's The Recognitions, perhaps the most important American novel since Moby Dick.

page 11.44 - a time before death entered the world, before accident:

Quote:

this is from Lang's Magic and Religion (85): "Early men, contrary to Mr. Frazer's account, suppose themselves to be naturally immortal. The myths of perhaps all races tell of a time when death had not yet entered the world. Man was born deathless. Death came in by an accident, or in consequence of an error, or an infraction of a divine command."

madinsomniac 02-17-2013 01:14 AM

The thing is, I think they are planning as if they will have to resign Malkin and Letang after the season, and I think they wont be trying to pin themselves at the cap with wingers unless they really get a great get. While they may have made a bid on Paraise in the offseason, I think you would have to see that kind of multitool established player be available before they give up assets and long term cap space to get someone.

We more likely will see a deal where we pick up someone in a slide or on the outs and cheap than a blockbuster deal. While most of us think the team could use a guy with a consistantly high shooting percentage on the first line over Dupris, and absolutely needs to find someone who can pull defenders off of malkin and make plays to get neal the puck when Malkin is covered, Im not sure the front office thinks they are as high a priority as we do. The coaching staff seems ok with grinders making up the bulk of the top 6. There just might not be the thought pattern that we need to move guys ASAP, especially since the backlogged prospect defenders are mostly younger.

Malkinstheman 02-17-2013 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madinsomniac (Post 59877921)
The thing is, I think they are planning as if they will have to resign Malkin and Letang after the season, and I think they wont be trying to pin themselves at the cap with wingers unless they really get a great get. While they may have made a bid on Paraise in the offseason, I think you would have to see that kind of multitool established player be available before they give up assets and long term cap space to get someone.

We more likely will see a deal where we pick up someone in a slide or on the outs and cheap than a blockbuster deal. While most of us think the team could use a guy with a consistantly high shooting percentage on the first line over Dupris, and absolutely needs to find someone who can pull defenders off of malkin and make plays to get neal the puck when Malkin is covered, Im not sure the front office thinks they are as high a priority as we do. The coaching staff seems ok with grinders making up the bulk of the top 6. There just might not be the thought pattern that we need to move guys ASAP, especially since the backlogged prospect defenders are mostly younger.

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Theres really no reason to worry about the cap. The way i see it everything works out great. This season we get alteast one winger with the highest cap space being 5 million. That will be even lower if niskanen is involved. So going into next season we are up to the cap. Then at next years deadline shero trades orpik/martin for lets say abruising defencemen and a pick. That roughly gives us 3-4 million to resign malkin and letang. Then slowly if our prospects start panning alot of our defence should be on elc's by then im pretty sure the cap increases by a couple million.

Honour Over Glory 02-17-2013 02:30 AM

I would LOVE Stalberg on this team. The guy is huge, skates like the wind, has skills, and he actually uses his size. He's one of the wingers on the Hawks I hope Shero goes after this summer when he hits UFA status.

I was crushing on the guy's skill when he was a Leaf.

Jaded-Fan 02-17-2013 02:36 AM

Some teams employ a radical theory of drafting and developing wingers.

Pancakes 02-17-2013 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaded-Fan (Post 59879349)
Some teams employ a radical theory of drafting and developing wingers.

Pfft, like we need those. Shero is gonna go out and get Ryan O'reilly, and it's totally gonna own because we'll have like 4 great centers. Yeah, we lost Staal, but Shero is about to unveil the new model, the 4C model. Crosby-Geno-Sutter-ROR down the middle. No team will be able to match up with it.

wtbipyo 02-17-2013 08:00 AM

What would it take to get Grabner? Seems ideal for Crosby with his speed and finish.

Nietzsche Zone Play 02-17-2013 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaded-Fan (Post 59879349)
Some teams employ a radical theory of drafting and developing wingers.

I think we'll start to see some of the NCAA guys enter the picture next season. Between Hanowksi, Wilson, Archibald and Agostino I'm pretty sure they'll have at least one late round gem there. Agostino in particular looks to be a good bet to be a solid top 9 winger.

I understand most people just look at the first two rounds when discussing what a team does at the draft, but the Pens favor NCAA talent and those guys tend to slip. All four of those guys would be highly coveted if they were NCAA UFAs this spring.

Darth Vitale 02-17-2013 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wtbipyo (Post 59882581)
What would it take to get Grabner? Seems ideal for Crosby with his speed and finish.

Not convinced he'll ever have a big offensive year again. I think he's somewhat overrated because of his speed. We could do worse but I wouldn't move any type of substantial roster asset for him.

vyktor 02-17-2013 09:37 AM

After having to suffer through the Satan, Comrie, Kovalev and to some extent Sullivan reclamation projects, i was unpleasantly surprised that RS didn't bring in Boyes. I always thought he was a great candidate for a winger who was capable of maximizing an elite C while not being that great on his own. 4g8A +1 better than Semin in each for $1mil. I mean Jesus that's less than we're paying Glass

leafspensfan 02-17-2013 10:48 AM

bring in Iginla, Kennedy, a defensman, a prospect and 2nd should get it done

Riptide 02-17-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malkinstheman (Post 59878453)
\
Theres really no reason to worry about the cap. The way i see it everything works out great. This season we get alteast one winger with the highest cap space being 5 million. That will be even lower if niskanen is involved. So going into next season we are up to the cap. Then at next years deadline shero trades orpik/martin for lets say abruising defencemen and a pick. That roughly gives us 3-4 million to resign malkin and letang. Then slowly if our prospects start panning alot of our defence should be on elc's by then im pretty sure the cap increases by a couple million.

We have ~10m in cap space. Prorated, that means we can afford something like 40m in salaries at the deadline (and almost every other team is in the same situation).

Riptide 02-17-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vyktor (Post 59884759)
After having to suffer through the Satan, Comrie, Kovalev and to some extent Sullivan reclamation projects, i was unpleasantly surprised that RS didn't bring in Boyes. I always thought he was a great candidate for a winger who was capable of maximizing an elite C while not being that great on his own. 4g8A +1 better than Semin in each for $1mil. I mean Jesus that's less than we're paying Glass

I mentioned him on here this summer along with Mueller. I was told that he was done. And that his 8g 23pts last season wasn't needed here.

domaug* 02-17-2013 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pancakes (Post 59879549)
Pfft, like we need those. Shero is gonna go out and get Ryan O'reilly, and it's totally gonna own because we'll have like 4 great centers. Yeah, we lost Staal, but Shero is about to unveil the new model, the 4C model. Crosby-Geno-Sutter-ROR down the middle. No team will be able to match up with it.

the Pens are the NHL's first "Centipede Model" team. deep down the middle, limp and flimsy on the wings.

maxpenguins6630 02-17-2013 10:55 AM

The player I would dream of having here is Wheeler and I want him from a long time ago... Speed, hits, great hands though he needs to improve os defense...

SprootsMasterFlex 02-17-2013 10:57 AM

With Despres being scratched today, maybe he will be expendable in Shero's eyes afterall.
If he does get moved to Minny, I hope a young player like Phillips (w/ Seto in a packaged 2-2 deal) or 1-1 with Coyle comes our way.

leafspensfan 02-17-2013 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SprootsMasterFlex (Post 59887809)
With Despres being scratched today, maybe he will be expendable in Shero's eyes afterall.
If he does get moved to Minny, I hope a young player like Phillips (w/ Seto in a packaged 2-2 deal) or 1-1 with Coyle comes our way.

He's scratched??? Where did you hear that?

Pens1566 02-17-2013 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leafspensfan (Post 59887837)
He's scratched??? Where did you hear that?

GDT. He's out Bort is in because they're expecting a chippy, physical game.

SprootsMasterFlex 02-17-2013 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leafspensfan (Post 59887837)
He's scratched??? Where did you hear that?

I also read that they weren't happy with his performance in the last game versus Winnipeg.

leafspensfan 02-17-2013 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pens1566 (Post 59887881)
GDT. He's out Bort is in because they're expecting a chippy, physical game.

kay that's stupid, depres is a physical player, he may not be overly physical but he gets the job done

leafspensfan 02-17-2013 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SprootsMasterFlex (Post 59887985)
I also read that they weren't happy with his performance in the last game versus Winnipeg.

he wasn't that bad, not up to his usual level but...

Pens1566 02-17-2013 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leafspensfan (Post 59888013)
kay that's stupid, depres is a physical player, he may not be overly physical but he gets the job done

I think it was more an expectation of rough stuff after the whistle if I understood the sentiment correctly. Something that I'd rather leave to Bort than Despres. One of them has no business fighting.

leafspensfan 02-17-2013 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pens1566 (Post 59888165)
I think it was more an expectation of rough stuff after the whistle if I understood the sentiment correctly. Something that I'd rather leave to Bort than Despres. One of them has no business fighting.

now that you put it that way i agree

Nietzsche Zone Play 02-17-2013 11:18 AM

yeah, sitting Despres has everything to do with Buffalo being very physical. Can't hurt to get Bortuzzo more time, but you don't take Engelland out in this matchup.


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