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King Woodballs 02-17-2013 09:29 AM

TNSE Looking at getting a WHL team
 
CJOB (Jim Toth) is reporting that True North is looking at getting a WHL.

@680CJOB

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True North Sports is exploring the possible idea of a Western Hockey League team based in Winnipeg.
Would you support it?
What does everyone think?

I think they could do well.
Lots of people that cant get Jets tickets (like myself) could be interested.

Diatidialga 02-17-2013 09:35 AM

I honesty think it would be better travel wise if they got an OHL team

bigplay41 02-17-2013 09:38 AM

interesting...i wonder where they would play? MTS Centre is a busy arena and most whl games are on the weekend

King Woodballs 02-17-2013 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bigplay41 (Post 59884805)
interesting...i wonder where they would play? MTS Centre is a busy arena and most whl games are on the weekend

Probably MTS Centre

The oil kings play out of northlands with oilers

sbtatter 02-17-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Diatidialga (Post 59884721)
I honesty think it would be better travel wise if they got an OHL team

No, they would still be better in the dub, they would slot into the East with Brandon, Regina, MJ, PA, Saskatoon etc. I'd rather bus West on the TCH for WHL teams than bus East through the Canadian shield to get to the OHL

Hank Chinaski 02-17-2013 10:11 AM

Here's a link to the last discussion:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&highlight=whl

The biggest issue is whether or not TNSE thinks it's worth it to block off potential concert dates (read: huge money-makers) for junior hockey games, which wouldn't bring in anywhere near the same revenue.

I've always maintained that it's too bad nothing was done to retrofit the old Winnipeg Arena, turning it into a commercial space with a scaled down rink that could've also served as a medium-sized concert venue.

Libertyhaze 02-17-2013 10:11 AM

OMGGG this is awesome!!! I really hope this actually happens!!!! I would go to sooo many games. I was actually thinking about this about a month ago, which let me to find out the winnipeg jets name was actually the first name of our WHL team. I'm only 27 so this was news to me lol.

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The Winnipeg Monarchs were a junior ice hockey team that played in the Western Canada Hockey League from 1967 to 1977 under three names. The team played as the Winnipeg Jets from 1967 to 1973; the Winnipeg Clubs from 1973 to 1976, and the Winnipeg Monarchs from 1976 to 1977. The Monarchs franchise played at Winnipeg Arena in Winnipeg, Manitoba. The team was the direct namesake for the Winnipeg Jets professional hockey club that began play in 1972; the junior Jets changed their name to disambiguate itself in 1973.

In 1977 the Monarchs moved to Calgary to become the Calgary Wranglers. They are today the Lethbridge Hurricanes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipe...rchs_%28WHL%29

Le Golie 02-17-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Diatidialga (Post 59884721)
I honesty think it would be better travel wise if they got an OHL team

OHL teams are disgusted that they have to travel to the Soo and Sudbury, never mind Winnipeg. Whatever argument you want to make for Winnipeg in the OHL, the league would never consider Winnipeg.

Back in the Bigs 02-17-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertyhaze (Post 59885867)
OMGGG this is awesome!!! I really hope this actually happens!!!! I would go to sooo many games. I was actually thinking about this about a month ago, which let me to find out the winnipeg jets name was actually the first name of our WHL team. I'm only 27 so this was news to me lol.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipe...rchs_%28WHL%29

yes, Ben Hatskins favourite NFL team was the New York Jets and when he started up the Winnipeg franchise in the WCHL, he named it the Jets
it had pretty good crowds incl several sellouts against Flin Flon Bombers back in the days of Bobby Clarke and Reggie Leach, but once he purchased the WHA franchise and pro hockey came here, major junior hockey crowds dropped off a lot.
I remember going to Clubs games when my brother played, and it was pretty sparsely attended, mostly family, friends of players, etc

not to say it couldn't work, but being the farthest east team makes it a challenge for them and the rest of the league

Hammer Slammer 02-17-2013 10:30 AM

I would support the heck out of it but I'm also not sure of some of the logistics as others have pointed out in this thread and the one way back when. MTS is a busy place and it'd be hard to fit those weekend games in. But since they wouldn't conflict with Jets home games I'd go to every one. :)

I agree they should've done something with Winnipeg Arena. That lot was bare for a very long time.

King Woodballs 02-17-2013 10:40 AM

Unless true north was to build a new smaller arena on that site. It couldnt happen.

From what I understand, they have an agreement with the city saying the can be the only indoor venue.

Someone in hf land must have specific details of that.

sipowicz 02-17-2013 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Diatidialga (Post 59884721)
I honesty think it would be better travel wise if they got an OHL team

You do know it's travel that prevents Thunder Bay from getting an OHL team and there 710 KM east of us.

YWGinYYZ 02-17-2013 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sipowicz (Post 59887689)
You do know it's travel that prevents Thunder Bay from getting an OHL team and there 710 KM east of us.

Ottawa 67's to Winnipeg would be a 24hr bus trip. While I would love to see a MB based OHL team, I really doubt they would approve one.

Le Golie 02-17-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by YWGinYYZ (Post 59887769)
Ottawa 67's to Winnipeg would be a 24hr bus trip. While I would love to see a MB based OHL team, I really doubt they would approve one.

There are WHL teams that are at least that far away, the problem is the OHL is heavily centered around a small geographical area and they really like their very easy travel schedule. The WHL travel is a nightmare compared to OHL travel, but they accept it as part of life.

KingBogo 02-17-2013 11:05 AM

In theory I like the idea, but in practice I wouldn't be able to support it much. The Jets pretty much occupy all my available hockey watching time. Though I'd probably try to catch a few games live since it would be a lot cheaper to take my little guy.

YWGinYYZ 02-17-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Le Golie (Post 59888003)
There are WHL teams that are at least that far away, the problem is the OHL is heavily centered around a small geographical area and they really like their very easy travel schedule. The WHL travel is a nightmare compared to OHL travel, but they accept it as part of life.

Agree: was just using that as an example. Most OHL teams are within 1-3 hours from each other - that's probably a more damning reason that it wouldn't happen than an outlier. That said, most teams would be 18-24 hours from Winnipeg.

Hollywood3 02-17-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Back in the Bigs (Post 59886295)
yes, Ben Hatskins favourite NFL team was the New York Jets and when he started up the Winnipeg franchise in the WCHL, he named it the Jets
it had pretty good crowds incl several sellouts against Flin Flon Bombers back in the days of Bobby Clarke and Reggie Leach, but once he purchased the WHA franchise and pro hockey came here, major junior hockey crowds dropped off a lot.
I remember going to Clubs games when my brother played, and it was pretty sparsely attended, mostly family, friends of players, etc

not to say it couldn't work, but being the farthest east team makes it a challenge for them and the rest of the league

Partially true.

Hatskin and Sonny Werblin were friends and both wanted to own a team called the Jets. Hatskin owned 3 teams in the MJHL and there were rumours of a western junior league. When the MAHA approved it, Hatskin got a franchise and named it the Jets. ITM, Werblin bought the New York Titans of the AFL and renamed them.

truck 02-17-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KingBogo (Post 59888089)
In theory I like the idea, but in practice I wouldn't be able to support it much. The Jets pretty much occupy all my available hockey watching time. Though I'd probably try to catch a few games live since it would be a lot cheaper to take my little guy.

I wouldn't make it to many either unless the Jets had a top notch prospect playing there.

Grind 02-17-2013 12:03 PM

id go frequently... until i got off tghe waitlist and into mtsc....

cbcwpg 02-17-2013 12:04 PM

It's one thing for Winnipeg to look at getting a WHL team, but the question that needs to be asked before getting all excited about it, is, does the WHL want Winnipeg?

This has been talked about numerous time since the last WHL team ( Winnipeg Warriors ) left in 1984 and each time the talk starts the WHL kind of throws cold water on it. The issue isn't so much that a team in Winnipeg would have tough travel ( Brandon being 2.5 hours away and then another 4 hours to Regina ), but you are making the teams that have to come to Winnipeg have more difficult travel as well. IMO, TNSE would have to do a serious sales job to the WHL to even get them to consider allowing a team in Winnipeg.

It's too bad, but Winnipeg just isn't in a good place geographically to join a bus league. Even if it were possible, joining the NAHL or USHL, which have teams in North Dakota, is still a lot of travel.

We will have to see if this goes anywhere....

Back in the Bigs 02-17-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywood3 (Post 59889365)
Partially true.

Hatskin and Sonny Werblin were friends and both wanted to own a team called the Jets. Hatskin owned 3 teams in the MJHL and there were rumours of a western junior league. When the MAHA approved it, Hatskin got a franchise and named it the Jets. ITM, Werblin bought the New York Titans of the AFL and renamed them.

Wasn't aware of the Werblin connection, but didn't the New York Jets name began in 1963:huh:

from their website:
1963: If the AFL was going to survive long term it needed a New York presence, thus finding stable owners for their New York franchise became the league's top priority. Eventually the team was sold to a group headed by Sonny Werblin for $1 Million. Things were already looking up for the team, as a new stadium awaited them in 1964, since the new stadium was next to LaGuardia Airport; the team's name was changed from Titans to Jets.

sting13 02-17-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by King Woodballs (Post 59887013)
Unless true north was to build a new smaller arena on that site. It couldnt happen.

From what I understand, they have an agreement with the city saying the can be the only indoor venue.

Someone in hf land must have specific details of that.

True but just outside the city, The Red River Ex announced one year a go they were
looking at building an arena, which was rumored to be about 5,000 capacity.

It was speculated that they may try to get WHL team for the arena.
Maybe True North wants to beat them to the punch to get the WHL team.

From CBC

A major $140-million development is being touted for Winnipeg's western fringe at Red River Exhibition Park.

The Red River Exhibition Association hopes the City of Winnipeg will approve plans for a new arena, hotel, theatre, restaurants and shops in the area near Assiniboia Downs racetrack just west of the Perimeter Highway.

Red River Ex CEO Garth Rogerson said the proposed facilities would not compete with the downtown Convention Centre or MTS Centre. The project would be privately funded, he said, driven by demand.

"No matter what you do to the Convention Centre, you cannot have a heavy equipment show, or an agriculture-based show," said Rogerson. "You can't have cows downtown. And yet those kinds of shows are extremely profitable for the city that brings it in."

Rogerson said he hopes to have the development plan approved by the city later this year.

"Can we compete with Regina? Of course we can. Can we compete with Saskatoon? Of course we can. There's a lot of assets within this community to sell. And we just don't have the facility to support it."

It has been reported that local developer Shindico is preparing to spend tens of millions of dollars on a massive commercial development at the western edge of the city.

Shindico's plan reportedly includes one or two hotels, a movie multiplex and restaurants on land just west of the Perimeter Highway.

Conflicted Habs fan 02-17-2013 01:05 PM

Brilliant. So when the new WHL team in Winnipeg performs to NHL level, they switch teams.

Boreal 02-17-2013 01:31 PM

If they could make it happen, I would be ecstatic. Instant season-ticket holder, and I know a good number of others who would jump on board immediately as well.

sipowicz 02-17-2013 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreal (Post 59897117)
If they could make it happen, I would be ecstatic. Instant season-ticket holder, and I know a good number of others who would jump on board immediately as well.

A lot of families with young kids just can't afford Jets games, the WHL Winnipeg Jets, Clubs, Warriors, Monarchs, True North's or whatever would draw families, seniors, teens etc..


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