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drumzan 02-17-2013 04:34 PM

2013 Draft Talk
 
Not sure if there's another draft thread. If there is, I couldn't find it. Anyway, couldn't help but bring this to everybody's attention. Connor Hurley, a Center from Notre Dame. Craig Button has him ranked in the high 30's for the 2013 draft. This guy has Shark written all over him. Look at those puck skills!

http://youtu.be/uwEpSlB6uyc

Juxtaposer 02-17-2013 04:49 PM

Oh, boy, the draft!

Disclaimer: The biggest reason I'm pushing a rebuild/tank this year is because this draft as so much talent in it, not only in the top-end, but there are about 45 players that are first-round caliber. Next year's draft looks bad.

HBSauce 02-17-2013 05:02 PM

I know you always take the best player available at your position but are there any wingers we could pick up that look to be Top 9, physical players?

magic school bus 02-17-2013 05:03 PM

In my completely biased opinion, I think we should get Seth Jones.

Juxtaposer 02-17-2013 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HBSauce (Post 59907991)
I know you always take the best player available at your position but are there any wingers we could pick up that look to be Top 9, physical players?

We already took an elite physical player over an elite skill player last draft in the first round. There's too much skill in this draft to value physicality first.

The player you're imagining is Jacob De La Rose. Questionable offensive upside (as in some scouts see it, some don't), but good defense, versatile, PK, strong physical play. He should go in the 20-30 range.

HBSauce 02-17-2013 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 59908177)
We already took an elite physical player over an elite skill player last draft in the first round. There's too much skill in this draft to value physicality first.

The player you're imagining is Jacob De La Rose. Questionable offensive upside (as in some scouts see it, some don't), but good defense, versatile, PK, strong physical play. He should go in the 20-30 range.


Hey just saying it'd be nice to have a forward with skill and size, I just wouldn't want to turn into Edmonton with so many small skilled forwards but no larger ones.

And thanks for the suggestion, I have no problem with drafting smaller skilled forwards that play hard over 6 2 or larger goons with mediocre hands. Just a balance would be nice since some of the prospects are on the smaller side in the pool.

Lebanezer 02-17-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 59907221)
Oh, boy, the draft!

Disclaimer: The biggest reason I'm pushing a rebuild/tank this year is because this draft as so much talent in it, not only in the top-end, but there are about 45 players that are first-round caliber. Next year's draft looks bad.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2013-nh...0848--nhl.html

I too was under the impression that 2013 was supposed to be deep, but then I read this, and now I don't know what to think.

Juxtaposer 02-17-2013 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HBSauce (Post 59909373)
Hey just saying it'd be nice to have a forward with skill and size, I just wouldn't want to turn into Edmonton with so many small skilled forwards but no larger ones.

And thanks for the suggestion, I have no problem with drafting smaller skilled forwards that play hard over 6 2 or larger goons with mediocre hands. Just a balance would be nice since some of the prospects are on the smaller side in the pool.

There are a lot of bigger, skilled kids in this draft though. At the top-end (only forwards, which is what we should be drafting) there's Barkov, Monahan, Nichushkin with size and tons of skill. Guys in the middle ten with size are Mantha, Erne, Gauthier, Carrier. I like Erne and Mantha, but I'd honestly rather go for a smaller, skilled player who can skate well this time around. I like Artturi Lehkonen (although he just got another concussion, so he may fall into the second round), Anthony Duclair, Alexander Wennberg, Nic Petan.

Besides, I don't see anything wrong with Edmonton. Have you seen them play lately? Their smurfs, Hall, RNH, Eberle, Gagner, Yakupov, and Hemsky are better than Thornton/Marleau/Clowe right now. Pretty sure size isn't holding them back.

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Originally Posted by Lebanezer (Post 59910097)
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2013-nh...0848--nhl.html

I too was under the impression that 2013 was supposed to be deep, but then I read this, and now I don't know what to think.

It's just picking at the seams. I've followed this draft really closely (since with the lockout, there was not much else to do), and I disagree whole-heartedly.

Every year, around January or February, everyone suddenly starts to doubt the strength of the draft. Same thing happened last year, the year before, and the year before. Means nothing.

CBJenga 02-17-2013 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HBSauce (Post 59909373)
Hey just saying it'd be nice to have a forward with skill and size, I just wouldn't want to turn into Edmonton with so many small skilled forwards but no larger ones.

And thanks for the suggestion, I have no problem with drafting smaller skilled forwards that play hard over 6 2 or larger goons with mediocre hands. Just a balance would be nice since some of the prospects are on the smaller side in the pool.

There are two players in San Jose (Gomez/Pavs) and two is Worcester(Urban/Gourde) that are under 6 feet tall, size is a long long long way from being something that could resemble a problem for the Sharks.

Gene Parmesan 02-17-2013 05:55 PM

They need skill and skating among the forwards...size would be a bonus. Like I've said before these are kids that aren't even close to being men yet.

Juxtaposer 02-17-2013 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gene Parmesan (Post 59911753)
They need skill and skating among the forwards...size would be a bonus. Like I've said before these are kids that aren't even close to being men yet.

Especially if when you look at the kids who are doing well despite their height, they're also 150 pounds and have late birthdays. Lehkonen in particular is on my mid-late first wish-list, he's doing amazingly in SM-Liiga, despite being 5'10'' and 150 pounds. Kid's not a perimeter player either, he's like a Finnish Zach Parise, and skates really well and has good hands. Duclair's also got a late birthday, as does this Hurley kid IIRC.

While I'm still a fan of the Hertl pick, I'd rather Teravainen. Size is nice, but skill is more important especially to an organization where there is little skill.

Gene Parmesan 02-17-2013 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 59912101)
Especially if when you look at the kids who are doing well despite their height, they're also 150 pounds and have late birthdays. Lehkonen in particular is on my mid-late first wish-list, he's doing amazingly in SM-Liiga, despite being 5'10'' and 150 pounds. Kid's not a perimeter player either, he's like a Finnish Zach Parise, and skates really well and has good hands. Duclair's also got a late birthday, as does this Hurley kid IIRC.

While I'm still a fan of the Hertl pick, I'd rather Teravainen. Size is nice, but skill is more important especially to an organization where there is little skill.

I was fine with the Hertl pick...i don't follow a lot of European hockey to know who Teravainen is. The one thing I think everyone can agree on...Wingers. They need wingers of all shapes and size :laugh:

Juxtaposer 02-17-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gene Parmesan (Post 59912637)
I was fine with the Hertl pick...i don't follow a lot of European hockey to know who Teravainen is. The one thing I think everyone can agree on...Wingers. They need wingers of all shapes and size :laugh:

Hertl's currently playing RW for Slavia Praha... But yeah, like I say, I follow the draft really in depth, I was convinced Teravainen was going to be a top-6 pick. Still think he should have been top-8.

MarleauApologist 02-17-2013 06:21 PM

So, do you guys like Jones or Drouin for our first overall?

Gene Parmesan 02-17-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 59912785)
Hertl's currently playing RW for Slavia Praha... But yeah, like I say, I follow the draft really in depth, I was convinced Teravainen was going to be a top-6 pick. Still think he should have been top-8.

Must be something that scared everyone off.

drumzan 02-17-2013 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gene Parmesan (Post 59914103)
Must be something that scared everyone off.

Character concerns and his size.

Juxtaposer 02-17-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by drumzan (Post 59916361)
Character concerns and his size.

This is just conjecture, right?

SwolePatrol 02-17-2013 07:02 PM

Guy im gunning for if im DW is Curtis Lazar. Kids the real deal, and is likely to go in the 8-15 range.

A trade up in a draft like this wouldnt be the worst thing,. and hell we might even be in a good spot to pick him anyway.

Juxtaposer 02-17-2013 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 4thLinePlug (Post 59917377)
Guy im gunning for if im DW is Curtis Lazar. Kids the real deal, and is likely to go in the 8-15 range.

A trade up in a draft like this wouldnt be the worst thing,. and hell we might even be in a good spot to pick him anyway.

I think you've missed the memo on Lazar. Was a top-10 lock to start the year, but he seems to not have much offensive upside, so he's in the 20-30 range. I want to stay the hell away from him we have enough 3C prospects.

But he hits good. So yeah. Truculence.

magic school bus 02-18-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HBSauce (Post 59907991)
I know you always take the best player available at your position but are there any wingers we could pick up that look to be Top 9, physical players?

You might be thinking of Ryan Hartman. I'm pretty sure he'd be available at the Sharks regular pick, 20-30 overall.

rangerssharks414 02-18-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 59912101)
While I'm still a fan of the Hertl pick, I'd rather Teravainen. Size is nice, but skill is more important especially to an organization where there is little skill.

I did a little (and I mean a little) bit of research before last year's draft, and that's who I wanted the Sharks to get. And I know next to nothing about hockey prospects. I was like, "Who?" when the Sharks took Hertl (just to show my lack of knowledge).


Just take the best skilled forward available. I don't care about size. I don't care about speed. I don't care even if it's another center. Just take the best skilled forward available.

DrSanchez 02-18-2013 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HBSauce (Post 59907991)
I know you always take the best player available at your position but are there any wingers we could pick up that look to be Top 9, physical players?

If we're towards the end of the first round, Anthony Mantha might fit that description.

Juxtaposer 02-18-2013 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSanchez (Post 59973789)
If we're towards the end of the first round, Anthony Mantha might fit that description.

Kid's got monster upside, but he's also got severe effort issues. He's also not super physical for being 6'4''.

However, if those effort issues make him slide like they did Brandon Saad, then we ought to pick him up.

Jacko95 02-18-2013 05:07 PM

As the Sharks are my second favorite team (behind Tampa) and San Jose seems to always be a great fit for german players, I really hope you pick up Dominik Kahun (or maybe Tiffels) when Tampa doesn't pick him. He is undersized, but he is soo skilled and he will fall because of his size.

So please give a little notice to Doug Wilson all right :naughty:

Juxtaposer 02-18-2013 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacko95 (Post 59974727)
As the Sharks are my second favorite team (behind Tampa) and San Jose seems to always be a great fit for german players, I really hope you pick up Dominik Kahun (or maybe Tiffels) when Tampa doesn't pick him. He is undersized, but he is soo skilled and he will fall because of his size.

So please give a little notice to Doug Wilson all right :naughty:

DW loves Germans. You're in good hands. ;)

(It has occurred to me that you know this and that's why you're a Sharks fan. :laugh:)


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