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helicecopter 02-18-2013 09:36 AM

Late additions: how does it work?
 
This may have been covered on this board already, but who knows where..

so forgive me if that's the case and let's see who has a clear picture on this.



With the NHL season going on longer and deeper into Spring than usual, it may become more relevant than in standard years the opportunity to add players from other leagues whose seasons finish earlier.

This particularly applies to KHL, whose playoffs are about to start already.


So, the main question is, do those players (or some of them) need to clear waivers to join a NHL team this late?
there may be a difference between players already owned by a NHL team (maybe even with a valid NHL contract) and those who are currently NHL UFA?

are they even allowed to join in March or are there exceptions to that?


Thanks in advance for your clarifications.


On a secondary note, who are the main candidates? i know A.Kostitsyin may join the Panthers once his KHL season is over; heard of anyone else?

BonkTastic 02-18-2013 09:44 AM

I know that last year, if you signed a guy from Europe, he needed to clear waivers before playing a game (for example: Nabokov signing with the Red Wings, then being claimed by the Islanders).

I'm fairly sure the new CBA has eliminated waivers for mid-season signings from Europe, though I admit to only being a CBA padawan: a full-fledged CBA Jedi might want to chime in to either confirm or discredit my belief.

As far as I know, as soon as a player's season is over, assuming his European contract is up, he's free to sign a contract with an NHL team. No waivers: just straight onto his new club.

helicecopter 02-19-2013 12:24 PM

thx BonkTastic.

Bumping this to get confirmations and maybe know of any other candidates to cross the ocean in the Spring.
If waivers don't apply anymore i would expect possibly more than one guy to join late in this procrastinated season.

joestevens29 02-19-2013 12:28 PM

Waivers apply. It was brought up a few weeks back, maybe a month that anyone coming from the KHL would have to clear waivers. Can't remember if it was McKenzie or who from TSN that mentioned it.

uncleben85 02-19-2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 60022217)
Waivers apply. It was brought up a few weeks back, maybe a month that anyone coming from the KHL would have to clear waivers. Can't remember if it was McKenzie or who from TSN that mentioned it.

Is that just because it's KHL though and there is no proper transfer agreement?
Would SEL or SM-liiga, etc. players need waivers?

joestevens29 02-19-2013 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by uncleben85 (Post 60023239)
Is that just because it's KHL though and there is no proper transfer agreement?
Would SEL or SM-liiga, etc. players need waivers?

Thought it was all the leagues. The NHL doesn't want teams circumventing the cap by having their stars play in Europe and then sign later in the year for a mil or two to finish the year up.

helicecopter 02-20-2013 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 60028189)
Thought it was all the leagues. The NHL doesn't want teams circumventing the cap by having their stars play in Europe and then sign later in the year for a mil or two to finish the year up.

that's odd.. would mean a RFA like R.O'Reilly would have to clear waivers to join the Avs now, which is not the case.

And as for UFAs, the team that claims the player off waivers would still be circumventing the cap, for that matter.

DoubleDose86 02-20-2013 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by helicecopter (Post 60116607)
And as for UFAs, the team that claims the player off waivers would still be circumventing the cap, for that matter.


It stops a bunch of guys going to one strong team.

Instead they risk getting picked up on waivers by a weaker team. It discourages people from hiding out waiting for a strong contender to show themselves.

Djp 02-20-2013 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by helicecopter (Post 60116607)
that's odd.. would mean a RFA like R.O'Reilly would have to clear waivers to join the Avs now, which is not the case.

And as for UFAs, the team that claims the player off waivers would still be circumventing the cap, for that matter.

ROR does not have to clear waivers because Colorado has exclusive rights on him.

If the player over in Russai---an NHL team may still have his rights if they drafted him.

If he was undrafted or have UFA statust in the NHL the player still needs to clear waivers I think after the trade deadline to join the club...prior to the trade deadline he can freely be signed and not have to clear waivers.

If A team has his rights he can sign and play.

The same thing happenes when the NCAA season ends. some players make the jump to the NHL right after college was over and they can join the club that drafted him without clearing waivers. I think this is what the Rangers did with Kreider...he made the NCAa jump.

there is risk in this...for example a team could pull a player from Juniors and have them play but then their service tenure begins.

In the playoffs teams do not have to have players clear waivers to return from the AHL to the big club after the AHL season is over.

seanlinden 02-20-2013 06:14 PM

I believe the rule has something to do with playing overseas in that given year. I.e. Nabokov started last year in Europe, because he didn't sign before Jan 1, he had to clear waivers.

In the lockout year, they obviously waived, or moved back that deadline to accomodate the normal free agents who were waiting until camp to sign. Presumably, ROR hasn't played in Europe since whenever that Jan 1 deadline was moved to....

joestevens29 02-21-2013 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helicecopter (Post 60116607)
that's odd.. would mean a RFA like R.O'Reilly would have to clear waivers to join the Avs now, which is not the case.

And as for UFAs, the team that claims the player off waivers would still be circumventing the cap, for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Djp (Post 60120199)
ROR does not have to clear waivers because Colorado has exclusive rights on him.

If the player over in Russai---an NHL team may still have his rights if they drafted him.

If he was undrafted or have UFA statust in the NHL the player still needs to clear waivers I think after the trade deadline to join the club...prior to the trade deadline he can freely be signed and not have to clear waivers.

If A team has his rights he can sign and play.

The same thing happenes when the NCAA season ends. some players make the jump to the NHL right after college was over and they can join the club that drafted him without clearing waivers. I think this is what the Rangers did with Kreider...he made the NCAa jump.

there is risk in this...for example a team could pull a player from Juniors and have them play but then their service tenure begins.

In the playoffs teams do not have to have players clear waivers to return from the AHL to the big club after the AHL season is over.

Colorado doesn't have exclusive rights on him, he's a RFA. I believe RoR doesn't have to clear as he came back before the deadline.

Djp 02-21-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 60160789)
Colorado doesn't have exclusive rights on him, he's a RFA. I believe RoR doesn't have to clear as he came back before the deadline.

Rights are not the same as the ability to negotiate.

Yes he is a restricted FA---which means a team can negotate with him...but...if they sign him to a contract..the original team still has the rights to accept the contract and keep him. they do not lose thos rights until they do a sign and trade or they let the 7 days expire.

Because they have his rights he can come back at ANYTIME without needing to clear waivers. an example is Radalov with Nashville...he was still under contract with the club thus they retained his rights and he didnt have to clear waivers.

Pulling someone in from Europe whom you didnt have their rights currently (draft pick) does have to clear waivers in order play later in the season. Previously to stash contracts teams lent vets on loan to european clubs to remove their contract on their cap hit (though they still paid them)...when their season is done they can come back to the NHL club without clearing waivers.

joestevens29 02-21-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Djp (Post 60175917)
Rights are not the same as the ability to negotiate.

Yes he is a restricted FA---which means a team can negotate with him...but...if they sign him to a contract..the original team still has the rights to accept the contract and keep him. they do not lose thos rights until they do a sign and trade or they let the 7 days expire.

Because they have his rights he can come back at ANYTIME without needing to clear waivers. an example is Radalov with Nashville...he was still under contract with the club thus they retained his rights and he didnt have to clear waivers.

Pulling someone in from Europe whom you didnt have their rights currently (draft pick) does have to clear waivers in order play later in the season. Previously to stash contracts teams lent vets on loan to european clubs to remove their contract on their cap hit (though they still paid them)...when their season is done they can come back to the NHL club without clearing waivers.

Radulov was a special exemption that the Preds had to get approval from the NHL. The reasoning they used was he had a contract when he left, which was illegal under the transfer agreement. So they just wanted the player back that had no rights to leave in the first place.


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