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stlweir 02-18-2013 03:20 PM

Shoot Outs
 
It wasn't that long ago the Blues were a sure loss when it came to shoot outs. Times have changed.

Robb_K 02-18-2013 04:20 PM

Now, Berglund, Perron, Oshie and steen are significantly better than they were last season. Tarasenko has been added. McDonald is the same as before (good). Shattenkirk is better. Pietrangelo could even be used. They can go 8-9 deep with players that can score in a shootout.

On the goaltending side, Halak is okay. But Allen has looked much better (positioning, anticipation, reflexes). Of course, only one shootout isn't enough to see what will happen after opposing shooters can watch enough film to make a good book on him.

2 Minute Minor 02-18-2013 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Robb_K (Post 59975485)
Now, Berglund, Perron, Oshie and steen are significantly better than they were last season. Tarasenko has been added. McDonald is the same as before (good). Shattenkirk is better. Pietrangelo could even be used. They can go 8-9 deep with players that can score in a shootout.

On the goaltending side, Halak is okay. But Allen has looked much better (positioning, anticipation, reflexes). Of course, only one shootout isn't enough to see what will happen after opposing shooters can watch enough film to make a good book on him.

Stewart would have been the 3rd shooter, but wasn't needed, last night. I can even think of a couple more guys to add.

Bluesman91 02-18-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 2 Minute Minor (Post 59977507)
Stewart would have been the 3rd shooter, but wasn't needed, last night. I can even think of a couple more guys to add.

Yeah and we don't see it a lot but Stewy has got some hands on a breakaway/shootout

Robb_K 02-18-2013 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluesman91 (Post 59978475)
Yeah and we don't see it a lot but Stewy has got some hands on a breakaway/shootout

Yes. Stewart would have been included in my 8-9 deep statement.

Even D'Agostini and Schwartz, on the fringes of our Top 9, shouldn't be "bad" at shootouts. Both of them can stickhandle fairly well, have some moves, and have decent shots, and can vary their releases. It's a matter of getting the practise/experience, and having access to the "book" on the goalie, and developing confidence in their moves and shot.

This year's shootout team is better at scoring, but still questionable in goal.

STLBLUES44 02-18-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Robb_K (Post 59978867)
Yes. Stewart would have been included in my 8-9 deep statement.

Even D'Agostini and Schwartz, on the fringes of our Top 9, shouldn't be "bad" at shootouts. Both of them can stickhandle fairly well, have some moves, and have decent shots, and can very their releases. It's a matter of getting the practise/experience, and having access to the "book" on the goalie, and developing confidence in their moves and shot.

This year's shootout team is better at scoring, but still questionable in goal.

D'agostini is terrible at shootouts. tho. I'm pretty sure the last time he took a shot in a shootout he literally hit the goalie in the chest with a wrister from the point lmao. i bet sobotka wouldn't be bad with those quick hands of his.

SirPaste 02-18-2013 06:39 PM

Its nice not to have an automatic loss if we dont score in overtime, I still hate shootouts though

berglund 02-18-2013 08:05 PM

Oshie is a boss at shootouts.

SneakerPimp82 02-18-2013 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by STLBLUES44 (Post 59981443)
D'agostini is terrible at shootouts. tho. I'm pretty sure the last time he took a shot in a shootout he literally hit the goalie in the chest with a wrister from the point lmao. i bet sobotka wouldn't be bad with those quick hands of his.

Sobotka actually reminds me a bit of Jamal Mayers. Fast, tenacious, physical, but hands of stone. i'm fairly sure Sobotka would be only be ahead of Reaves and Nichol in a shootout.

BlueOil 02-18-2013 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SneakerPimp82 (Post 59990701)
Sobotka actually reminds me a bit of Jamal Mayers. Fast, tenacious, physical, but hands of stone. i'm fairly sure Sobotka would be only be ahead of Reaves and Nichol in a shootout.

I disagree, I've always thought Sobotka resembled a less skilled, but more physical version of Andy McDonald.

In the shootout, I think Sobotka could be a good depth shooter.

Robb_K 02-18-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by underslept (Post 59999317)
I disagree, I've always thought Sobotka resembled a less skilled, but more physical version of Andy McDonald.

In the shootout, I think Sobotka could be a good depth shooter.

He has some skill with the puck, can make a couple moves (can deke) and has some shooting skill. His hands are a LOT softer than Mayers'. I'd put him just after D'Agostini, before Nichol and Reaves, but not ahead of Schwartz.

Mormino 02-19-2013 01:16 AM

I've noticed that Oshie basically has one "move" during the shootout, he just shoots at different times. Against Vancouver, Luongo was probably expecting him to do something like this:



but instead he shot right away. He's really good at disguising his shot/deke.

SneakerPimp82 02-19-2013 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Robb_K (Post 60004151)
He has some skill with the puck, can make a couple moves (can deke) and has some shooting skill. His hands are a LOT softer than Mayers'. I'd put him just after D'Agostini, before Nichol and Reaves, but not ahead of Schwartz.

I just don't see it. Sobotka's never had more than 7 goals while in the NHL, Mayers at least hit double digits twice, albeit on some bad Blues teams with increased ice time. It's just that anytime I see the puck on Sobotka's stick in a position to shoot, he either fumbles it or shoots it right into the goalies' chest.

Either way, hopefully we don't have to see him in the shootout, I think we can both agree on that.

rumrokh 02-19-2013 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SneakerPimp82 (Post 60009403)
I just don't see it. Sobotka's never had more than 7 goals while in the NHL, Mayers at least hit double digits twice, albeit on some bad Blues teams with increased ice time. It's just that anytime I see the puck on Sobotka's stick in a position to shoot, he either fumbles it or shoots it right into the goalies' chest.

Either way, hopefully we don't have to see him in the shootout, I think we can both agree on that.

The difference is that Mayers had a good slapper and decent wrister, while Sobotka's shot is soft as hell and he takes forever to get it off. Sobotka has noticeably better overall hands and puck skills, but Mayers had more speed, so he could get to loose pucks around the net and beat a goalie clean with a shot.

PerryTurnbullfan 02-19-2013 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rumrokh (Post 60009673)
The difference is that Mayers had a good slapper and decent wrister, while Sobotka's shot is soft as hell and he takes forever to get it off. Sobotka has noticeably better overall hands and puck skills, but Mayers had more speed, so he could get to loose pucks around the net and beat a goalie clean with a shot.

Sobotka is like a mini-Conroy...If his hands ever catch up to his feet and energy, then look out.

SneakerPimp82 02-19-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rumrokh (Post 60009673)
The difference is that Mayers had a good slapper and decent wrister, while Sobotka's shot is soft as hell and he takes forever to get it off. Sobotka has noticeably better overall hands and puck skills, but Mayers had more speed, so he could get to loose pucks around the net and beat a goalie clean with a shot.

good call. hard shot with little accuracy and a soft shot that takes forever to get off(that's what she said) tend to end up the same way, right in the opposing goalies' team crest.

and now memories of mike eastwood and blair atcheynum come flooding in.

JustOneB4IDie 02-19-2013 02:14 PM

I would just hope that the SO would just "go away" myself, just saying...

MattyMo35 02-19-2013 02:17 PM

Yeah, shootouts need to die. I'd rather have a tie. It's just silly.

CitizenSnips 02-19-2013 05:00 PM

I would prefer a 10 min overtime or even a tie over a shootout

I just don't like them but unfortunately, there are enough casual fans out there that think they are fantastic

2 Minute Minor 02-19-2013 06:11 PM

I'm OK with keeping the shootout. Its exciting. But a shootout win should not equal a regulation win. I'd prefer a 3 point system with the loser point remaining and the OT/SO winner getting 2. But whatever.

Robb_K 02-19-2013 08:30 PM

I'd settle for a 7 min. overtime with no regular season shootouts.

Renard 02-28-2013 08:32 AM

We suffered in the shoot-outs after Brad Boyes left. He was outstanding.


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