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Ducksgo* 02-18-2013 04:20 PM

Icing discussion
 
I personally feel we need to use the icing rule that the NCAA uses. I tried searching and didn't not find a thread for this issue. But it's something that needs to be discussed. I know it's a big topic in the main forum, but would like it to be discussed amongst duck fans.

Btw if the mods need to merge that's fine. But this icing rule needs to be changed in my eyes.

Vipers31 02-18-2013 04:42 PM

What is the NCAA icing rule? IIFH-style no-touch icing? We have that over here. I definitely prefer touch icing.

IDuck 02-18-2013 05:14 PM

yeah im not sure either but i wouldnt mind the "hybrid" icing

Selanne138 02-18-2013 07:47 PM

I personally hope they keep touch icing, but I havent looked into how often injuries actually occur from it. I think its a part of the game that needs to be kept and hybrid icing wouldnt really help much.

MiXeriZe 02-18-2013 08:37 PM

I personally hate automated icing. It's anticlimactic to the max in hockey. Everyone just quits trying because there's nothing anyone can do.

Ducksgo* 02-19-2013 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by IDuck (Post 59978461)
yeah im not sure either but i wouldnt mind the "hybrid" icing

Yah I wouldn't mind seeing hybrid. I just think these icings are a bit unsafe. And it's a big topic to talk about to say the least.

Duck Fan 02-19-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducksgo (Post 60032179)
Yah I wouldn't mind seeing hybrid. I just think these icings are a bit unsafe. And it's a big topic to talk about to say the least.

What is "hybrid" icing?

Ducksgo* 02-19-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Fan (Post 60032661)
What is "hybrid" icing?

Hybrid icing is a mixture of touch and no-touch icing. It gives a linesman the discretion to blow his whistle and stop the play if he believes a defending player will reach the puck first. If the linesman believes the attacking player has a chance to reach the puck first, he lets the race to the puck play out. The linesman always will side with the defending player and will blow his whistle if he feels the race is a tie by the time the players reach the faceoff dots.

Johnny Caravella 02-19-2013 04:00 PM

I'm not sure which is which but I would prefer to see the one where they race to the face off circle and then the whistle is either blown or not depending upon who wins the race.

Watching guys make kamikaze runs into the board adds nothing to the game other than an occasional serious injury. Games are not won or lost because one team is better at "not getting called for icing" than another. It isn't a skill being eliminated from the game.

Ducksgo* 02-19-2013 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddie Shack (Post 60033491)
I'm not sure which is which but I would prefer to see the one where they race to the face off circle and then the whistle is either blown or not depending upon who wins the race.

Watching guys make kamikaze runs into the board adds nothing to the game other than an occasional serious injury. Games are not won or lost because one team is better at "not getting called for icing" than another. It isn't a skill being eliminated from the game.

That would be a hybrid icing that I would like to see. There's so many injuries along the boards as is. Something needs to be done. Give the linesman more responsibility for calling icing. More players would appreciate it I assume.

I know in my men's silver league at Anaheim Ice it's scary going full force for a icing puck. Even though ITS non contact. It's still scary cause its so competitive. Can't imagine at the NHL level :facepalm:

Ducksgo* 02-19-2013 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vipers31 (Post 59976819)
What is the NCAA icing rule? IIFH-style no-touch icing? We have that over here. I definitely prefer touch icing.

Yah no touch Icing in NCAA vipers. I know hockey is a physical sport. But have you played hockey before? It's very scary along the boards when two people are racing for a puck. Even if its no contact. Having contact? Unreal we need to limit injuries from icing.

If anyone has statistics of suspensions or injuries from the icing rule please post them. I would love to see the results.

NEWFowler 02-19-2013 08:03 PM

I vote no on hybrid icing. No reason to have another aspect of the game that the refs can **** up.

MMonarchs 02-19-2013 10:12 PM

How about we just make the NHL no contact. It's less scary.

Exit Dose 02-19-2013 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Newfie9 (Post 60052915)
I vote no on hybrid icing. No reason to have another aspect of the game that the refs can **** up.

And they will screw it up. In the AHL the refs were blowing the whistle regardless of who outran who. It wound up being 'no touch' icing with the facade of the hybrid rules.

Ducksgo* 02-19-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MMonarchs (Post 60071479)
How about we just make the NHL no contact. It's less scary.

How about me and you both go for an icing puck? Hopefully you have insurance cause half the men in my league don't have enough to pay for the injury. The icing rule needs to be changed.

Ducksgo* 02-19-2013 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Newfie9 (Post 60052915)
I vote no on hybrid icing. No reason to have another aspect of the game that the refs can **** up.

Even if hybrid would limit injuries?

Sojourn 02-19-2013 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducksgo (Post 60076079)
How about me and you both go for an icing puck? Hopefully you have insurance cause half the men in my league don't have enough to pay for the injury. The icing rule needs to be changed.

If you're playing in a rec league, it's already automatic icing.

Sojourn 02-19-2013 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducksgo (Post 60076215)
Even if hybrid would limit injuries?

The number of injuries caused by icing is fairly negligible.

Sojourn 02-19-2013 11:04 PM

And I'm not really sure why you'd find the boards scary.

Johnny Caravella 02-19-2013 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MMonarchs (Post 60071479)
How about we just make the NHL no contact. It's less scary.

Nobody said that. And personally I happen to be one who does not want to see fighting taken out of the game. But you honestly think racing for the puck over an icing call is an integral part of the game?

Ducksgo* 02-19-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sojourn (Post 60076289)
If you're playing in a rec league, it's already automatic icing.

It's Rec, but since its silver level the refs let It play on Soj it's one of the highest divisions at Anaheim Ice. Our league uses the NHL rules in most cases.

Sojourn 02-19-2013 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducksgo (Post 60077287)
It's Rec, but since its silver level the refs let It play on Soj it's one of the highest divisions at Anaheim Ice. Our league uses the NHL rules in most cases.

Silver is mid level at AI. Intermediate and Elite are the highest divisions, and from experience I can tell you they still call automatic icing. The exceptions to this are when it's late and the refs just want to go home, so they let it slide if it's not too blatant.

Ducksgo* 02-19-2013 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sojourn (Post 60076627)
And I'm not really sure why you'd find the boards scary.

It's chippy. And I'm not a pro I don't get paid for anything. If I'm racing for a puck in a NO contact league for a icing puck we need to enhance a hybrid scenario. People get flustered I still get boarded or
Checked in this level of hockey. Totally support the hybrid icing

Sojourn 02-19-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducksgo (Post 60077689)
It's chippy. And I'm not a pro I don't get paid for anything. If I'm racing for a puck in a NO contact league for a icing puck we need to enhance a hybrid scenario. People get flustered I still get boarded or
Checked in this level of hockey. Totally support the hybrid icing

I really don't see what this has to do with the NHL. Every rec league I've ever played in did automatic icing, and they do it specifically because most players don't have the kind of control necessary to not get hurt in those icing situations.

Ducksgo* 02-19-2013 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sojourn (Post 60077523)
Silver is mid level at AI. Intermediate and Elite are the highest divisions, and from experience I can tell you they still call automatic icing. The exceptions to this are when it's late and the refs just want to go home, so they let it slide if it's not too blatant.

This is all side note Soj. The refs let us play with icing rules indicated by NHL standards. We pay for it apparently :faceplam: I just don't understand the icing rule without limitations being other leagues use Hybrid non hybrid what ever and what have you. Shanny get your act together and start promoting a safer sport for my players. It's just that simple


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