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Badger Mayhew* 02-19-2013 11:31 AM

Leafs - Predators
 
To Toronto:
Austin Watson
2nd round pick 2013

To Predators:
Mikhail Grabovski (Leafs eat 1 million salary)

I'm imagining a scenario where Leafs trade for Ryan O'Reilly. Leafs can no longer afford to pay Grabovski, so they trade him for a defensively responsible centre prospect and a decent pick. Predators get a new offensive weapon, a category where they're currently lacking.

Thoughts?

Dark Knight 02-19-2013 11:32 AM

I love Grabo! He's usually a slow starter but takes off during the mid-way of the season. Last night was a great example of how his line can dominate against the opponent. It's hard to contain his speed and skill with likes of Komarov and Kulemin.

I'll do the deal. Value is good, but only if the Leafs have a deal in place for Ryan O'Reilly.

Ricky Bobby 02-19-2013 11:37 AM

I'm not opposed to shipping out Grabo but not if the Leafs have to eat part of his salary and for a so-so prospect like Watson and a mid to late 2nd rounder.

WildcatMapleLeafs28 02-19-2013 11:41 AM

Leafs pass. Even if we acquired a #1 center , I think Bozak would be the odd one out. Grabo would fetch a better return than that.

Top 6 Spaling 02-19-2013 11:44 AM

Done from a preds perspective.

AtlantaWhaler 02-19-2013 11:48 AM

Done deal. Though Watson is a good prospect, can't see the Leafs doing that trade.

Predsrule 02-19-2013 12:26 PM

Won't happen with sk here

Rare Jewel 02-19-2013 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predsrule (Post 60022067)
Won't happen with sk here

There fine now.

They patched things up before the Olympics.

sharks9 02-19-2013 12:41 PM

MTL has Nashville's 2nd rounder for this year.

12IsGreaterThan47 02-19-2013 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharks9 (Post 60022961)
MTL has Nashville's 2nd rounder for this year.

well give it back, so we can finalize this fake trade...

New Liskeard 02-19-2013 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badger Mayhew (Post 60019271)
To Toronto:
Austin Watson
2nd round pick 2013

To Predators:
Mikhail Grabovski (Leafs eat 1 million salary)

I'm imagining a scenario where Leafs trade for Ryan O'Reilly. Leafs can no longer afford to pay Grabovski, so they trade him for a defensively responsible centre prospect and a decent pick. Predators get a new offensive weapon, a category where they're currently lacking.

Thoughts?

Leafs don't make that trade unless another center is already lined up. Also Grabo has a NTC I believe.

Whydidijoin* 02-19-2013 04:02 PM

Why can't we afford Grabovski anymore exactly?

Leafs are not trading Grabovski. He is an important part to this team, and a big reason we are winning. Definitely not eating salary.

We don't want a mediocre shutdown prospect when we have a prime shutdown player who can put up top even strength points.

thinkinfeller 02-19-2013 04:32 PM

Leafs fan, and I do this deal even without O'Rielly coming to Toronto in a seperate deal. I was, at one time a huge Grabovski/Kulemin fan but the production of that line and the reliance that coaching staff had on them to provide secondary scoring are both gone I believe.

With the recent emergence of Nazem Kadri as a bonafide 2nd line centerman, I believe the Leafs would benefit from shipping Grabo's salary out at the first available opportunity. The Kulemin - Grabo - Komarov line has been our third line this season regardless of what our depth chart may say, and I for one think Grabo's cap hit is a little high for a guy who's not winning face-offs or putting up points.

Bozak
Kadri
McClement
Steckel

With the cap savings perhaps we could target a legitimate #1 centerman (Getzlaf?) and fill a hole that has plagued this team since the departure of Mats Sundin.

It was mentioned that Tyler Bozak would be the odd man out if Ryan O'Rielly is traded to Toronto, I don't agree with that. Bozak has looked good - he's been our best face-off man and has contributed more offensively than Grabo has.

Whydidijoin* 02-19-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkinfeller (Post 60035227)
the reliance that coaching staff had on them to provide secondary scoring are both gone I believe.

That is because they are now the shutdown line who spends every shift against elite opposition. Grabovski plays the 2nd-most TOI even strength among forwards, after Kessel, and his primary objective is no longer scoring. Also way too early to say his offense has dried up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkinfeller (Post 60035227)
With the recent emergence of Nazem Kadri as a bonafide 2nd line centerman

Nazem Kadri is a 3rd-line centerman, not a 2nd. He certainly has that potential, but his line is being sheltered by the Grabovski line doing the shutdown work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkinfeller (Post 60035227)
The Kulemin - Grabo - Komarov line has been our third line this season regardless of what our depth chart may say

Screw the depth chart. The TOI shows that the Grabovski line is the 2nd line, and is even more important than most 2nd-liners.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkinfeller (Post 60035227)
I for one think Grabo's cap hit is a little high for a guy who's not winning face-offs.

He is 52.1% on face-offs...

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkinfeller (Post 60035227)
Bozak
Kadri
McClement
Steckel

That's so incredibly worse.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkinfeller (Post 60035227)
With the cap savings perhaps we could target a legitimate #1 centerman (Getzlaf?) and fill a hole that has plagued this team since the departure of Mats Sundin.

And when Getzlaf signs with his team, or doesn't want to sign with us, you just traded our best center and one of our most important players for cap space that we didn't need in the first place, and didn't use.

seanlinden 02-19-2013 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badger Mayhew (Post 60019271)
To Toronto:
Austin Watson
2nd round pick 2013

To Predators:
Mikhail Grabovski (Leafs eat 1 million salary)

I'm imagining a scenario where Leafs trade for Ryan O'Reilly. Leafs can no longer afford to pay Grabovski, so they trade him for a defensively responsible centre prospect and a decent pick. Predators get a new offensive weapon, a category where they're currently lacking.

Thoughts?

The biggest reason to trade Grabovski and bring in O'Reilly, would be to save some $$. That's going to be real difficult with Toronto retaining $1m in salary.

This is also a real cart-before-the-horse type proposal here.

Center Ice Scrum 02-19-2013 05:01 PM

Would the Preds be willing to give up Colin Wilson (yes I know he's a winger now) in any trade scenarios with Grabo coming back your way?

Something like:

Tor:
Grabovski
MacArthur

for

Nsh:
C. Wilson
2nd rd 2013
Cap Dump?

I don't know if Preds consider that an underpayment? overpayment? Feel free to make a counter proposal using Grabo and C. Wilson and add in what you think are the necessary + players.

From a Leafs POV: I'd much rather have Wilson from Nashville because we can play him in a 3rd line shutdown role. Wilson - McClement - Kulemin. All great skating big bodies. Offense would be a black hole for that line but I think they would do an excellent job limiting other teams' top lines, night in night out.

bobbyflex 02-19-2013 05:05 PM

this is a pretty decent deal for both sides. Leafs would have to trade for O'Reilly first obvs

LV 02-19-2013 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildcatMapleLeafs28 (Post 60019757)
Leafs pass. Even if we acquired a #1 center , I think Bozak would be the odd one out. Grabo would fetch a better return than that.

Kadri is better than Grabovski, right now and in the future. So, you want to pay our third line center $5.5M? We don't, thats why Grabo is the odd man out.

#1C or ROR
Kadri
Bozak

Whydidijoin* 02-19-2013 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brody (Post 60037177)
Kadri is better than Grabovski, right now and in the future. So, you want to pay our third line center $5.5M? We don't, thats why Grabo is the odd man out.

#1C or ROR
Kadri
Bozak

Kadri is not better than Grabovski. Kadri faces the easiest match-ups. Grabovski faces the hardest.

The average fan does not seem to realize the difference this makes.

Pi 02-19-2013 05:18 PM

A 4.5M Grabo should get us a legit player back...if we're eating salary shouldn't we at least try to get an NHL player in return?

Grabo puts up 55 points, wins faceoffs, and is defensively responsible.

Pi 02-19-2013 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingV (Post 60037467)
Kadri is not better than Grabovski. Kadri faces the easiest match-ups. Grabovski faces the hardest.

The average fan does not seem to realize the difference this makes.

Yeah, no. Kessel's line faces the hardest match ups...

Grabovski and his line have become more of a checking and cycling under Carlyle...

Kadri's line is definitely the most creative.

LV 02-19-2013 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingV (Post 60037467)
Kadri is not better than Grabovski. Kadri faces the easiest match-ups. Grabovski faces the hardest.

The average fan does not seem to realize the difference this makes.

Grabovski's line has been so bad offensively, that RC uses them as checkers who play defence.

Kadri's line plays in the offensive zone, he's also stuck with Colton Orr and Clarke MacArthur on his wings, plus he's playing third line minutes.

Kadri >>>>> Grabo this season, and for the future. I'm not going to pay my third line C $5.5M.

Jerkini 02-19-2013 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brody (Post 60038875)
Grabovski's line has been so bad offensively, that RC uses them as checkers who play defence.

Kadri's line plays in the offensive zone, he's also stuck with Colton Orr and Clarke MacArthur on his wings, plus he's playing third line minutes.

Kadri >>>>> Grabo this season, and for the future. I'm not going to pay my third line C $5.5M.

That's not true at all. Carlyle uses them as checkers because there's literally no one else on the team who can do it.

allkill326 02-19-2013 05:45 PM

Don't you think Grab's been underrated too much?

Whydidijoin* 02-19-2013 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pi (Post 60037797)
Yeah, no. Kessel's line faces the hardest match ups...

Grabovski and his line have become more of a checking and cycling under Carlyle...

Kadri's line is definitely the most creative.

I guess I said that wrong.

Kessel faces the top defensive players.
Grabovski faces the top offensive players.
Kadri/McClement lines face what is left.


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