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Maelpj* 02-20-2013 12:24 PM

What happen if Galchenyuk - Eller - Prust is a success?
 
Cole really need to start producing before Gallagher come back. When Gally will be heatlhy, what do we do with cole if the Galch- Eller- Prust line start producing and playing good hockey ( I don't see how that lines wouldn't perform well).

Gallagher - Desharnais - Pacioretty : were showing good things
Gionta - Pleky - Bourque ( There is no valid reason to break this line, doing good)
Galchenyuk - Eller - Prust ( Could be a solid third line)

I like Moen - White - Armstrong for the 4th lines. Of course Cole might have more offensive skill that those 3 guy, but I don't see what he could bring more than them on our 4th lines.

If things doesn't change for Cole, what would you do? Put Eller or Prust back on the 4th line and break a good line?.. Put Cole on the 4th line?.. Let him with Pac and DD ..

No Team Needed 02-20-2013 12:27 PM

The veterans take longer to get going while the younger players are not going to be consistent all year. For everyone ready annoint Bourque a brand new player they happen to forget that he has been inconsistent his entire career.

If Cole and Gionta are still slow to perform come April they are as good as gone. I just don't see that happening. The lineup will change again and you're more likely to see Cole and Gionta be the scorers while two other players cool right now and become the new scapegoats.

We're only at the one third mark.

SakuSauce 02-20-2013 12:28 PM

I'd pay Emelin to hipcheck Cole and injure him so we don't have to think about that.

bcv 02-20-2013 12:34 PM

I'd put Prust on the 4th and play Gally with Eller and Chucky or I'd put Cole on the 4th line.

Either way Armstrong is out.

Maelpj* 02-20-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by No Team Needed (Post 60099847)
The veterans take longer to get going while the younger players are not going to be consistent all year. For everyone ready annoint Bourque a brand new player they happen to forget that he has been inconsistent his entire career.

If Cole and Gionta are still slow to perform come April they are as good as gone. I just don't see that happening. The lineup will change again and you're more likely to see Cole and Gionta be the scorers while two other players cool right now and become the new scapegoats.

We're only at the one third mark.

Really? I dont see anything from cole showing he will start scoring. Gionta doing an ok job, good defensive playing.

The only guy I could see slowing is bourque.. DD is not playing fantastic ok, but his place is not on the 4th line..

Plekanec.. is plekanec. Stable player. Prust too.

The 2 Gally, Pacman and Eller and the young that might cool down.. But I still don't see that happening to the point of bringing less to the team that Cole.

No Team Needed 02-20-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Maelpj (Post 60100397)
Really? I dont see anything from cole showing he will start scoring.

I remember the same being said about Pacioretty, oh, last week.

Maelpj* 02-20-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bcv (Post 60100287)
I'd put Prust on the 4th and play Gally with Eller and Chucky or I'd put Cole on the 4th line.

Either way Armstrong is out.

Pacioretty – Desharnais -??
Bourque - Plekanec – Gionta
Gally – Eller – Galchenyuk
Cole -?? - Prust

Would leave a hole for a wing for Pac and DD.. guess you would put Moen ? or Cole.

Brainiac 02-20-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gally94 (Post 60099911)
I'd pay Emelin to hipcheck Cole and injure him so we don't have to think about that.

Might be cheaper to pay somebody on the bruins to do that, though. Emelin would have second thought and all, you know!

Maelpj* 02-20-2013 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by No Team Needed (Post 60100521)
I remember the same being said about Pacioretty, oh, last week.

Pac was showing great thing, energy, had good scoring chance and almost a PPG from all the assist.

Really not the same thing.

Marc the Habs Fan 02-20-2013 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gally94 (Post 60099911)
I'd pay Emelin to hipcheck Cole and injure him so we don't have to think about that.

May not need to pay. :sarcasm:


Undertakerqc 02-20-2013 12:44 PM

Thats a valid question. I personnaly think that at some point he will get going, especially if we continue having a great season. We really his size, especially when we go into the playoffs. Now what do we do with Gallagher when he comes back, i have no idea.

No Team Needed 02-20-2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Maelpj (Post 60100605)
Pac was showing great thing, energy, had good scoring chance and almost a PPG from all the assist.

Really not the same thing.

Patches was also taking all of his shots from the perimeter. Hell, technically his two goals were still far and away from the net. He isn't going to keep scoring playing like that but I'm sure his confidence has improved.

Cole was a +2 in Carolina and did a great job around the boards. He was useful. He was just kept off the scoresheet. It's still a long season. People need to be patient. The only reason people are ready to dump him is due to his pre-season comments.

BaseballCoach 02-20-2013 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maelpj (Post 60099677)
Cole really need to start producing before Gallagher come back. When Gally will be heatlhy, what do we do with cole if the Galch- Eller- Prust line start producing and playing good hockey ( I don't see how that lines wouldn't perform well).

Gallagher - Desharnais - Pacioretty : were showing good things
Gionta - Pleky - Bourque ( There is no valid reason to break this line, doing good)
Galchenyuk - Eller - Prust ( Could be a third line)

I like Moen - White - Armstrong for the 4th lines. Of course Cole might have more offensive skill that those 3 guy, but I don't see what he could bring more than them on our 4th lines.

If things doesn't change for Cole, what would you do? Put Eller or Prust back on the 4th line and break a good line?.. Put Cole on the 4th line?.. Let him with Pac and DD ..

People talk about Cole not doing much, but he creates chances and draws penalties. Armstrong is even worse offensively and does not have the speed anymore for tough opponents.

Before benching Cole, there are Armstrong and White "ahead" of him. Even Moen.

My bigger issue is matching up our scorers with playmakers and our small guys with bigger bodies.

I don't want to see two of Gionta, Gallagher and Desharnais on the same line.

I also want the forwards with little playmaking vision, Gionta, Eller/Prust and Bourque playing with one of the three best playmakers/visionaries, being Galchenyuk, Desharnais and Pacioretty.



Desharnais-Cole-Bourque
Plekanec-Gionta-Pacioretty
Galchenyuk-Gallagher-Eller/Prust
Prust/Eller-Armstrong/White-Moen

Watsatheo 02-20-2013 12:52 PM

What I love about the Eller-Galchenyuk duo is Eller seems to move to wing outside of the faceoffs and gives the center positioning to Galchenyuk. I'd play Gallagher on that line at home and Prust there on the road. No team has a permanent set 4 lines.

Prospector 02-20-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Watsatheo (Post 60101257)
What I love about the Eller-Galchenyuk duo is Eller seems to move to wing outside of the faceoffs and gives the center positioning to Galchenyuk. I'd play Gallagher on that line at home and Prust there on the road. No team has a permanent set 4 lines.

So on the road you put Gallagher on the 4th line?

Maelpj* 02-20-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by No Team Needed (Post 60100967)
Patches was also taking all of his shots from the perimeter. Hell, technically his two goals were still far and away from the net. He isn't going to keep scoring playing like that but I'm sure his confidence has improved.

Cole was a +2 in Carolina and did a great job around the boards. He was useful. He was just kept off the scoresheet. It's still a long season. People need to be patient. The only reason people are ready to dump him is due to his pre-season comments.

It's not about being patient. It's about putting the best player right now on the line-up. My question was what to do if Cole doesn't improve before the come back of Gally.

You talk about the quality of Pac goal.. Well the +2 of cole come from this ugly goal, and the slapshot of pleky. Put Gally, Chuck, Prust or Eller with Pac and DD, these guy would show as much if not more than what Cole is doing.

You can't put one of the Bourque- Plek - Gionta on the 4th line. You can't put one of the Gally- DD - Pac on the 4th line. And why would you put one of the Prust - Eller - Galch on the 4th, right now, those guy show better things that Cole.

Maelpj* 02-20-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballCoach (Post 60101211)
People talk about Cole not doing much, but he creates chances and draws penalties. Armstrong is even worse offensively and does not have the speed anymore for tough opponents.

Before benching Cole, there are Armstrong and White "ahead" of him. Even Moen.

My bigger issue is matching up our scorers with playmakers and our small guys with bigger bodies.

I don't want to see two of Gionta, Gallagher and Desharnais on the same line.

I also want the forwards with little playmaking vision, Gionta, Eller/Prust and Bourque playing with one of the three best playmakers/visionaries, being Galchenyuk, Desharnais and Pacioretty.



Desharnais-Cole-Bourque
Plekanec-Gionta-Pacioretty
Galchenyuk-Gallagher-Eller/Prust
Prust/Eller-Armstrong/White-Moen

Respect your opinion, but I have a problem with Eller on the 4th line. What does Cole show right now to deserve a better spot than Eller/Prust.

Why not put Cole on the 4th line with White and Moen

Watsatheo 02-20-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by No Team Needed (Post 60100967)
Patches was also taking all of his shots from the perimeter. Hell, technically his two goals were still far and away from the net. He isn't going to keep scoring playing like that but I'm sure his confidence has improved.

Cole was a +2 in Carolina and did a great job around the boards. He was useful. He was just kept off the scoresheet. It's still a long season. People need to be patient. The only reason people are ready to dump him is due to his pre-season comments.

Won't lie, I hate Cole's play this season almost as much as I hated Bourque's play last season.

BUT the one thing that gives me some hope is his start last season was almost as bad:

15 games
3 goals
2 assists
5 points
-3
47 shots

He was getting a lot more shots though and more involved in the play (ie. Pacioretty this season getting 3+shots/game...eventually pucks will start going in) so I am still not confident he'll bounce back.

rwb 02-20-2013 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Team Needed (Post 60100967)
Patches was also taking all of his shots from the perimeter. Hell, technically his two goals were still far and away from the net. He isn't going to keep scoring playing like that but I'm sure his confidence has improved.

Cole was a +2 in Carolina and did a great job around the boards. He was useful. He was just kept off the scoresheet. It's still a long season. People need to be patient. The only reason people are ready to dump him is due to his pre-season comments.

Don't forget Pacioretty has been rather banged up this season. Cole, unless he is hiding it, has no such excuse.

Maelpj* 02-20-2013 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watsatheo (Post 60101733)
Won't lie, I hate Cole's play this season almost as much as I hated Bourque's play last season.

BUT the one thing that gives me some hope is his start last season was almost as bad:

15 games
3 goals
2 assists
5 points
-3
47 shots

He was getting a lot more shots though and more involved in the play (ie. Pacioretty this season getting 3+shots/game...eventually pucks will start going in) so I am still not confident he'll bounce back.

Still the question was not wheter or not Cole is gonna explode. It's what IF things doesnt change when Gally came back. What to do with Cole.

Mag1328 02-20-2013 01:27 PM

How about Galchenyuk-Eller-Cole on the third line, Prust on the fourth and voilą?

BubbleGumPlant 02-20-2013 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maelpj (Post 60102025)
Still the question was not wheter or not Cole is gonna explode. It's what IF things doesnt change when Gally came back. What to do with Cole.

Too much depth. "First in the East" problems.

Maelpj* 02-20-2013 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mag1328 (Post 60103265)
How about Galchenyuk-Eller-Cole on the third line, Prust on the fourth and voilą?

The idea of putting Cole with these two sound disgusting. Prust bring more energy and size than Cole. He even show better offensive and +/- stats while playing most of the time one the 3-4 line.

Jakomyte 02-20-2013 01:39 PM

For Gally's first game back, I would do this:

Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
Eller-Galchenyuk-Prust
Moen-White-Gallagher

This would easy Gally back in and make sure he's good to go. If he looks great, I would consider switching him and Cole.

BaseballCoach 02-20-2013 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maelpj (Post 60101713)
Respect your opinion, but I have a problem with Eller on the 4th line. What does Cole show right now to deserve a better spot than Eller/Prust.

Why not put Cole on the 4th line with White and Moen

Cole is a waste on the 4th line. He may not be piling up points but he gets decent opposition and is not getting killed in the +/-.

I would play Eller on the third most frequently used line either way.

If we need two defensive lines, then Eller-Armstrong-Moen get to play 13 minutes or so, and the Gallys get sheltered minutes.

If the fourth line is not so much needed, then play Eller on the third with the Gallys and let THEM get 11-12 ES minutes.

Eller would then get PK time to get up near 15 minutes.

Cole would be getting around 15 minutes too.


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