The Rebuilding of the C of Red - Rebuilding Thread
So, the Trade proposals/Rumours sticky has more or less become the how to rebuild Calgary thread; so, why not make a thread completely devoted to how to rebuild the Flames.
Michael Cammalleri - Alex Tanguay - Jarome Iginla
Roman Cervenka - Roman Horak - Jiri Hudler
Curtis Glencross - Matt Stajan - Lee Stempniak
Blake Comeau - Steve Begin - Tim Jackman
Mark Giordano - Jay Bouwmeester
T.J. Brodie - Dennis Wideman
Chris Butler - Cory Sarich/Smith/Babchuk
Miikka Kiprusoff, Mikael Backlund, Sven Bärtschi, Lance Bouma
Current Cap Payroll:
Next Year Cap Payroll:
Projected 2012-2013 Record:
16 - 22 - 10 = 42 Points
Projected 2012-2013 Draft position:
4th-7th Overall pick
Top Prospects Per Category (HF Rating):
John Gaudreau (2015 Availability), Mark Jankowski (2016 Availability), Max Reinhart, Markus Granlund, Greg Nemisz
Tyler Wotherspoon, Chris Breen, Patrick Sieloff, John Ramage
Karri Ramo, Laurent Brossoit, Jon Gillies (2016 Availability), Joni Ortio
Current Average Height/Weight - All skaters (not including Goalies) to gear up for Calgary average.
1.837 M - 6 Foot, 0.3 inches
Free Agents 2013 (Just a few of each category):
Elias, Patrik » C NJD 36 $6,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Getzlaf, Ryan » C ANA 27 $5,325,000 2013 (UFA)
Ribeiro, Mike » C WAS 33 $5,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Connolly, Tim » C TOR 31 $4,750,000 2013 (UFA)
McDonald, Andy » C STL 35 $4,700,000 2013 (UFA)
Morrow, Brenden» L DAL 34 $4,100,000 2013 (UFA)
Clowe, Ryane » L SJS 30 $3,625,000 2013 (UFA)
Gagne, Simon » L LAK 32 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)
MacArthur,Clarke»L TOR 27 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA)
Penner, Dustin » L LAK 30 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA)
Filppula, Valtteri »L DET 28 $3,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Cleary, Danny » L DET 34 $2,800,000 2013 (UFA)
Semin, Alexander »R CAR 28 $7,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Iginla, Jarome » R CGY 35 $7,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Perry, Corey » R ANA 27 $5,325,000 2013 (UFA)
Alfredsson, Daniel »R OTT 40 $4,875,000 2013 (UFA)
Jagr, Jaromir » R DAL 41 $4,550,000 2013 (UFA)
Selanne, Teemu » R ANA 42 $4,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Bouchard, P-M » R MIN 28 $4,080,000 2013 (UFA)
Horton, Nathan » R BOS 27 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Ryder, Michael » R DAL 32 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Clarkson, David » R NJD 28 $2,666,667 2013 (UFA)
Visnovsky, Lubomir »D NYI 36 $5,600,000 2013 (UFA)
Gonchar, Sergei » D OTT 38 $5,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Hainsey, Ron » D WIN 31 $4,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Streit, Mark » D NYI 35 $4,100,000 2013 (UFA)
Regehr, Robyn » D BUF 32 $4,020,000 2013 (UFA)
Zidlicky, Marek » D NJD 36 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Whitney, Ryan » D EDM 30 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Hamrlik, Roman » D WAS 38 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Scuderi, Rob » D LAK 34 $3,400,000 2013 (UFA)
Leopold, Jordan » D BUF 32 $3,000,000 2013 (UFA)
The idea here is to suggest trades and signings that would rebuild Calgary. Goal is to have the most competitive team the soonest possible; Post the lineup going in. It'd also be good to include cap and other useful information.
I like the thread idea.
Iginla + Nemisz + Sarich for 1st + Bennett + Dumoulin
Jbo for Zibanejad + 2014 2nd
Giordano + Stajan for Schwartz + Cole
Kipper to Tampa/SJ/Florida/Chicago for a 2nd
Stempniak for Watson (we most likely have to add)
Cammy at half price for 1st + Irwin
Tanguay - Backlund - Bennet
Sven - Hudler - Cervenka
Shwartz - Zib - Glencross
Saying that, I think Jbo has shown that this year he could fetch a great return when he's playing in the right system.
Trades (this season):
Kiprusoff (to Tor) for Percy, 2013 1st
Cammalleri (to Buff) for Stafford
Sarich, Giordano (to NYR) for JT Miller, 2013 3rd
Comeau (to Pitts) 2013 4th
Iginla, Stajan, Butler (to Bos) for Krecji, Caron, Krug, 2013 1st
Stempniak (to CBJ) for Nikitin
I am going to predict we draft #3,#20 and #30. Draft Sasha Barkov, Anthony Mantha and Jacob De la Rose.
Sign Ryan O'Byrne. Re-sign MacDonald, Cerevenka, sign Raamo
Not a total rebuild but try to be competitive and if still suck then move more guys at 2014 deadline.
Would love Zibby here, was one of my favorite players in the draft. Having said that, I would be shocked if they moved him for Bouw.
Trading everyone would be a mistake. If picks wind up being busts/not working out, we lose everything and gain nothing. We can't put everything into one draft.
Trade Iginla, Giordano, Kipper, Stempniak, Stajan, Sarich for picks/prospects
Next season, go with (assuming no prospects we gain in trades get slotted in)
Glencross - Tanguay - Cammalleri
Hudler - Backlund - Baertschi
Cervenka - Horak - UFA
Bouma - Aliu - Jackman
PP Line 1:
Hudler - Tanguay - Baertschi
Cammalleri - Wideman
PK Line 1:
Glencross - Aliu - Bouma
Bouwmeester - UFA/Brodie
Bouwmeester - Wideman
Brodie - UFA
Smith - Butler
#1A - Ramo
#2A - Irving
If we're out of the running again next season, then deal Bouw (assuming Brodie and a few others continue to develop) and Cammalleri.
I don't have a specific trade in mind but I think the Flames are too loyal to their players. Which then messes with their asset management.
They 'say' they will not trade Iginla. But they should be saying... "If the right offer comes up anybody can be traded."
Look at some of the other teams out there that makes trades to better their teams. Pittsburgh, Philly, Boston, LA etc.
Edit: Ignore this post.
I always have been and always will be against trading away top players with the intent of losing to gain a higher pick.
That said I have no problem moving players under the following circumstances.
1) The player is about to become a free agent and it is better to get something than nothing.
2) The player has a contract that is not desirable.
3) The player has expressed a desire to play elsewhere
4) If its a hockey trade, this would be a trade that could have a positive impact either this season or next.
What people seem to forget is while we could move Iginla, Tanguay, Bouwmeester, Giordao, Cammalleri, Glencross..... etc and load up on 1st and 2nd round draft picks, they would still be at best mid-round picks, which significantly reduces the chance of the pick panning out. Trades for futures often don't work out well.
Also, getting some from future years is always a great idea. Look at Columbus, they got two firsts this year, LA's not playing well and NY isn't top tier.
Rebuilding now is pretty much the best time possible to do it. Unlike Edmonton, we won't have to tank for 5 years because we have tons of assets that can fetch huge returns
At the trade deadline you rarely receive a pick that is not a middle-late round pick for the upcoming draft.
What don't you understand? When Carter was traded the 2012 draft was the upcoming draft. He got a 2013 pick, which was not the upcoming draft at the time.
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