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William Shakespeare 09-23-2003 06:05 AM

Can the prospects match the Star?
 
I was not sure where to place this post, but considering the players involved I felt this was the best place to gather the info I want.

Last year I made a trade in my pool, and I am looking to gather an assessment of the trade from the HF Prospect specialists.

The Trade:

Marian Hossa

For

Stanislav Chistov
Brad Stuart
And a First (Thomas Vanek)

Who was the winner of this trade in your humble opinions, I would be happy if a debate were to start. All comments are welcome...

Thank you for your kind attention.

William

Sammy* 09-23-2003 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Shakespeare
I was not sure where to place this post, but considering the players involved I felt this was the best place to gather the info I want.

Last year I made a trade in my pool, and I am looking to gather an assessment of the trade from the HF Prospect specialists.

The Trade:

Marian Hossa

For

Stanislav Chistov
Brad Stuart
And a First (Thomas Vanek)

Who was the winner of this trade in your humble opinions, I would be happy if a debate were to start. All comments are welcome...

Thank you for your kind attention.

William

I guess the questions are as follows:
1) how many years do each of these guys have on their contracts?
) what are their salaries?
3) what is the salary cap?
4)what stats count?

#37-#93-#27* 09-23-2003 06:49 AM

I think Hossa is the type of player you shouldn't trade for anything. Keep in mind people tend to over value young unproven players and prospects around here so don't get fooled.

Big Bill 09-23-2003 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #37-#93-#27
I think Hossa is the type of player you shouldn't trade for anything. Keep in mind people tend to over value young unproven players and prospects around here so don't get fooled.


I never understood deals like this. Guys trade their under 25 40 goal scorers for unproven prospects that they HOPE will one day develop into under 25 40 gaol scorers! Why do this. It is taking steps backwards. I know guys who one year acquire all prospects, then two yrs later, when they are all ready to make the jump to full time NHL action, they do it again! Guys like Hossa, Havlat, Gaborik, Gagne, Heatley, Kovalchuk, I would never deal for prospects and picks. It is different if you have guys like Andreychuk, Hull, etc... on your roster.

If any of those guys pan out, you win. You orobably still win value wise, but I would not do it.

DJyellow 09-23-2003 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Bill
I never understood deals like this. Guys trade their under 25 40 goal scorers for unproven prospects that they HOPE will one day develop into under 25 40 gaol scorers! Why do this. It is taking steps backwards. I know guys who one year acquire all prospects, then two yrs later, when they are all ready to make the jump to full time NHL action, they do it again! Guys like Hossa, Havlat, Gaborik, Gagne, Heatley, Kovalchuk, I would never deal for prospects and picks. It is different if you have guys like Andreychuk, Hull, etc... on your roster.

If any of those guys pan out, you win. You orobably still win value wise, but I would not do it.

True, but it depends on the situation too. If Hossa is the only tradeable players on a team that lacks serious depth, it's not a bad deal condisering that Chistov & Vanek have high offensive potential.

quality over quantity

PecaFan 09-23-2003 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Bill
I never understood deals like this. Guys trade their under 25 40 goal scorers for unproven prospects that they HOPE will one day develop into under 25 40 gaol scorers! Why do this. It is taking steps backwards. I know guys who one year acquire all prospects, then two yrs later, when they are all ready to make the jump to full time NHL action, they do it again!

That's because for some guys, the thrill of the chase is more important than the "catching". So, you get the young guys when they're unproven, you watch them in every game they play that you can, you check their stats and progress out every day, you thrill when they finally make the NHL team instead of being sent to the minors or back to junior. And you beam like a proud papa when they finally blossom into that star you always knew they were.

And then you dump their ass, and pick a new kid to raise. :)

William Shakespeare 09-23-2003 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PecaFan
That's because for some guys, the thrill of the chase is more important than the "catching". So, you get the young guys when they're unproven, you watch them in every game they play that you can, you check their stats and progress out every day, you thrill when they finally make the NHL team instead of being sent to the minors or back to junior. And you beam like a proud papa when they finally blossom into that star you always knew they were.

And then you dump their ass, and pick a new kid to raise. :)

That's Interesting...

The pool is on points only...

Theclevershark 09-23-2003 01:31 PM

"She said that don't befund me, long as I get the rent paid on Friday." (George Thorogood)

I agree; I don't understand these types of deals either. I tell ya, there are WAYYYY more bragging rights to winning a pool this year as opposed to once, a long time ago, owning the players that the OTHER guy used to win the pool this year because that you traded him away for unproven talent. Its like finding $10,000 cash on the street and blowing it all on lottery tickets.

In terms of Hossa for strictly prospects and picks, the guy getting Hossa wins the deal because he is getting a proven 24 year old player that is right now the best in the deal. Plus Hossa is going to be around for 14 years. He is the type of player you want to trade FOR, not away.


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