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VoraceksWristShot 02-21-2013 07:21 PM

Sean Couturier
 
I know we all love this guy and he's so young and so on. . . But it's clear he's never going to be an 80 point center people act like he's gonna be he has nowhere near the hands or the vision or scoring touch to reach anywhere near that... Right now a lot of teams are high on him, I really do like Coots but for what we could get in return I think it's worth selling high now...Ryan O Riley? Or however you spell it. Don't hammer me its just a thought. . . I'm sure others have pondered the thought?

Karma 02-21-2013 07:27 PM

Who in the world said he would be an 80 point center? :help:

MR28 02-21-2013 07:27 PM

I'm sure that I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't be against trading him.
depending on what we could get obviously.

Mgkibbles 02-21-2013 07:28 PM

Why would the Flyers trade Couturier for another center?

VoraceksWristShot 02-21-2013 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RussianRocket10 (Post 60193551)
Who in the world said he would be an 80 point center? :help:

A lot of fans were saying he had that potential... I'm just saying for what we can get for him moving forward seems to be really nice considering his price is at an all time high... Idk man I just don't see anything magical out of him like when giroux first came up you knew he was special... Similar to houberdou in this game you can see he's gonna be a special player... Couturier doesn't give me that feeling...

VoraceksWristShot 02-21-2013 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgkibbles (Post 60193693)
Why would the Flyers trade Couturier for another center?

Because he's already better and he's only 21...?

SuchySays 02-21-2013 07:34 PM

my god, is this thread serious?

come on now.

Mgkibbles 02-21-2013 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lolnowayhaha (Post 60194005)
A lot of fans were saying he had that potential... I'm just saying for what we can get for him moving forward seems to be really nice considering his price is at an all time high... Idk man I just don't see anything magical out of him like when giroux first came up you knew he was special... Similar to houberdou in this game you can see he's gonna be a special player... Couturier doesn't give me that feeling...

Shutting down the leading scorer in the league during the Playoffs last year wasn't special? Also, not ever guy has the flair of Giroux or Huberduberduberdo. Remember Patrick Sharp? He didn't look real stellar for the Flyers, how'd he turn out? Same with Richards and Carter. It'll take Couturier a few years, but I still think he has the ability to hover around a ppg. But even if he only develops into a 60 point player, you're still gonna have a Selke candidate.

Mr Black 02-21-2013 07:37 PM

I'm getting so sick of this board. If one of our young guys doesn't rack up points like '85 Gretzky, people want to ship them out of town.

PALE PWNR 02-21-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaaah (Post 60193563)
I'm sure that I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't be against trading him.
depending on what we could get obviously.

I'm in the minority with you but only for defensive help. ROR is basically the same thing as Couturier but will cost 3 or 4 million more. Theres no reason to trade him for the same thing he already is. ROR career high is 50 some point and before that was 26. They are the same player Couturier is just 2 years younger and 4 million dollars cheaper

VoraceksWristShot 02-21-2013 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgkibbles (Post 60194735)
Shutting down the leading scorer in the league during the Playoffs last year wasn't special? Also, not ever guy has the flair of Giroux or Huberduberduberdo. Remember Patrick Sharp? He didn't look real stellar for the Flyers, how'd he turn out? Same with Richards and Carter. It'll take Couturier a few years, but I still think he has the ability to hover around a ppg. But even if he only develops into a 60 point player, you're still gonna have a Selke candidate.



Malkin wasn't shut down he had 8 points in 6 games man... That's not shut down...

VoraceksWristShot 02-21-2013 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PALE PWNR (Post 60195049)
I would as well but only for defensive help. ROR is basically the same thing as Couturier but will cost 3 or 4 million more. Theres no reason to trade him for the same thing he already is. ROR career high is 50 some point and before that was 26. They are the same player Couturier is just 2 years younger and 4 million dollars cheaper


Agree with this post.

VoraceksWristShot 02-21-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MRxBLACK (Post 60194813)
I'm getting so sick of this board. If one of our young guys doesn't rack up points like '85 Gretzky, people want to ship them out of town.


You're taking my thread the wrong way... If you watch him you know he isn't the special player some people make him out to be his hockey IQ just isn't what ppl think it is... I'm saying for our franchise moving forward moving him could do us more good than keeping him before his value plummets... Just saying..

Mgkibbles 02-21-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PALE PWNR (Post 60195049)
I would as well but only for defensive help. ROR is basically the same thing as Couturier but will cost 3 or 4 million more. Theres no reason to trade him for the same thing he already is. ROR career high is 50 some point and before that was 26. They are the same player Couturier is just 2 years younger and 4 million dollars cheaper

I'm in the same boat. I love Couturier, but if there was a deal available to get a really good young defenseman, I'd have to think about it. But trading Couturier for another center who's more expensive and with less upside is asinine.

PALE PWNR 02-21-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MRxBLACK (Post 60194813)
I'm getting so sick of this board. If one of our young guys doesn't rack up points like '85 Gretzky, people want to ship them out of town.

You have a shot at OEL, you either give up Couturier or you don't get him what do you do?

VoraceksWristShot 02-21-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PALE PWNR (Post 60195673)
You have a shot at OEL, you either give up Couturier or you don't get him what do you do?

I feel like Holmgren would be wise to talk to teams around the league and explore options for young d-men with huge upside especially the yotes a team with not much depth at C

1865 02-21-2013 07:45 PM

I recall people were set to trade Jake a couple of weeks ago.

Mgkibbles 02-21-2013 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lolnowayhaha (Post 60195281)
Malkin wasn't shut down he had 8 points in 6 games man... That's not shut down...

In 6 regular season games, Malkin scored 2 ES points (both assists) when Couturier was on the ice.

In 6 playoff games, Malkin scored 1 ES point (assist) when Couturier was on the ice.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1175395

VoraceksWristShot 02-21-2013 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgkibbles (Post 60196133)
In 6 regular season games, Malkin scored 2 ES points (both assists) when Couturier was on the ice.

In 6 playoff games, Malkin scored 1 ES point (assist) when Couturier was on the ice.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1175395

So the PP doesn't count in the NHL anymore? Common man it wasn't just Coots shutting him down by himself...

FLYguy3911 02-21-2013 07:48 PM

People before the season weren't willing to trade this guy for Seth Jones straight up. I get why people like him but his value gets a little overrated on this board.

Karma 02-21-2013 07:48 PM

Why stop at Couturier? Brayden Schenn will never be a 200 point player. Trade him too. :sarcasm:

VoraceksWristShot 02-21-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RussianRocket10 (Post 60196557)
Why stop at Couturier? Brayden Schenn will never be a 200 point player. Trade him too. :sarcasm:

Schenn is a solid second line center already with much more offensive talent than couturier he fits our future plans a lot more.

VoraceksWristShot 02-21-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYguy3911 (Post 60196447)
People before the season weren't willing to trade this guy for Seth Jones straight up. I get why people like him but his value gets a little overrated on this board.

Agreed I'm glad other flyers fans at least catch my drift and realize I'm not being irrational.

Mgkibbles 02-21-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lolnowayhaha (Post 60197109)
Agreed I'm glad other flyers fans at least catch my drift and realize I'm not being irrational.

Meh, debatable.

Philadelphia Ducks 02-21-2013 07:53 PM

No thanks, don't really want O;Rielly with how this whole Colorado thing is playing out, makes him seem like a selfish player. I'd much rather keep Couts unless we're getting a potential number 1 dman coming back. And I really don't remember anyone ever saying he'd be an 80 point player, I remember people saying he'll be a shutdown Jordan Staal type player. ~50-60 points, solid defensively, used against top line.


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