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HappyGilmourr 02-23-2013 04:41 AM

Franson, Fraser, Gunnarson, Holzer, Kostka all need a contract!
 
Dion Phaneuf is our only defensmen that will 100 percent be on the team next year. Komisarek and Liles are the only other players with 1 way contracts but there definitely not a lock for next years roster. Then you have Gardiner who should make the team (1.1 m cap hit) and Morgan Reilly fighting for a roster spot.



Gunnarson - RFA
Franson - RFA
Fraser - RFA
Holzer - RFA
Kostka - UFA


Phaneuf - ??????
Gardiner - ?????
??????? - ???????

HellasLEAF 02-23-2013 04:52 AM

Hmm, is there any way we can start 8 defence men next year?

4uston Matthews 02-23-2013 04:54 AM

What went on with the whole CBA business in regards to when you become a UFA or not?

HappyGilmourr 02-23-2013 04:59 AM

I break it down into 3 categories.

The two young guys: Gardiner, Reilly
Due for contract: Holzer, Gunnarson, Franson, Fraser, Kostka
Signed for next year: Phaneuf, Liles, Komisarek


OUT: Kostka, Komisarek, Reilly.


Morgan Reilly - WHL - seriously I have no problem with him dominating the WHL, build confidence, have a huge role for Canada at the U20 world championship like Alex Pitreangelo did as a 20 year old also. He will have many years in the NHL absoultley no need to rush him with the amount of depth we have.

Mike Koskta: He's been a great 5 on 5 player for us but he's a UFA. If he would accept a two way contract or a 1 year deal I would bring him back... but if not we have to many RFA's that are easier to sign and move around.

Komisarek: Trade, waive, minors... he actually hasn't be horrible for us but it's pretty clear with the amount of depth he doesn't have a spot.

Phaneuf - Gunnarson
Gardiner - Holzer
Fraser - Franson
Liles

johnny_rudeboy 02-23-2013 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bozak (Post 60291603)
Dion Phaneuf is our only defensmen that will 100 percent be on the team next year. Komisarek and Liles are the only other players with 1 way contracts but there definitely not a lock for next years roster. Then you have Gardiner who should make the team (1.1 m cap hit) and Morgan Reilly fighting for a roster spot.



Gunnarson - RFA
Franson - RFA
Fraser - RFA
Holzer - RFA
Kostka - UFA


Phaneuf - ??????
Gardiner - ?????
??????? - ???????

Phaneuf - Holzer
Gardiner - Kostka/Gunnarsson
Fraser - Blacker/Komisarek

We need 8 defenders and at least one of them should be able to be sent down with out having to be waived and that would be Blacker.
Liles, Franson traded for C depth.
Rielly either goes back to juniors or if he is allowed, play with the Marlies.
Komisarek, he wont get much of a return and he have looked good in Carlyles system. Forget about his cap hit and he is a useful defender in a bottom pairing role.
Kostka have looked good when 5 on 5 but I am not prepared to give up on Gunnarsson because of a small sample of games. And the benefit with Gunnarsson is that he can pretty much play with anyone and will not be expensive to resign. Always nice to hang on to a player we have drafted and developed as well.
Might play Gunnarsson with Phaneuf if Holzer cant handle the minutes Phaneuf plays.

AlienWorkShop 02-23-2013 05:10 AM

:scared:

Jerkini 02-23-2013 05:28 AM

Who we bring back depends on salary considerations.

In my ideal world, I'd bring them all back sans Liles and Komisarek for not much more than they're currently earning.

Orpheus66 02-23-2013 05:52 AM

I can see us trading Franson in a package deal that gets us a great centerman. With Gardiner and Reilly in the minors it means Franson is replaceable. You need to keep in mind in order to get something good you need to give up something good and is the main reason why Burke stacked the Blue line.

What I would like to see happen is this:

Franson + 1st rounder + MacArthur + Grabovski (would rather give up Grab but if push came to shove I would give up Bozak instead of Grab)

and we get the perfect 1st line center we've always needed. I have no Idea who that would be but with the players above it needs to be of Nash quality and young (if he is over 27 I'm not sure if I would want him). Or we can use that package to trade with a team for a top 3 draft selection in next year's draft.

leafspring* 02-23-2013 06:46 AM

Rielly has 14 points in his last 9 games. 5G/9A. Hottest scoring D-man in the whl's top 5 d-men:) easily.

johnny_rudeboy 02-23-2013 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leafspring (Post 60292497)
Rielly has 14 points in his last 9 games. 5G/9A. Hottest scoring D-man in the whl's top 5 d-men:) easily.

And he wants Fransons #4 so... not serious btw.

Faltorvo 02-23-2013 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bozak (Post 60291743)
I break it down into 3 categories.

The two young guys: Gardiner, Reilly
Due for contract: Holzer, Gunnarson, Franson, Fraser, Kostka
Signed for next year: Phaneuf, Liles, Komisarek


OUT: Kostka, Komisarek, Reilly.


Morgan Reilly - WHL - seriously I have no problem with him dominating the WHL, build confidence, have a huge role for Canada at the U20 world championship like Alex Pitreangelo did as a 20 year old also. He will have many years in the NHL absoultley no need to rush him with the amount of depth we have.

Mike Koskta: He's been a great 5 on 5 player for us but he's a UFA. If he would accept a two way contract or a 1 year deal I would bring him back... but if not we have to many RFA's that are easier to sign and move around.

Komisarek: Trade, waive, minors... he actually hasn't be horrible for us but it's pretty clear with the amount of depth he doesn't have a spot.

Phaneuf - Gunnarson
Gardiner - Holzer
Fraser - Franson
Liles

I don't want Reilly anywhere near this team next year, unless we need the cap space because we killed it in the UFA market.

Mansfield 02-23-2013 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bozak (Post 60291603)
Dion Phaneuf is our only defensmen that will 100 percent be on the team next year. Komisarek and Liles are the only other players with 1 way contracts but there definitely not a lock for next years roster. Then you have Gardiner who should make the team (1.1 m cap hit) and Morgan Reilly fighting for a roster spot.



Gunnarson - RFA
Franson - RFA
Fraser - RFA
Holzer - RFA
Kostka - UFA


Phaneuf - ??????
Gardiner - ?????
??????? - ???????

Liles should be kept around. I'd trade one of Fraser/Holzer/Kostka while their value is high.

ULF_55 02-23-2013 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bozak (Post 60291603)
Dion Phaneuf is our only defensmen that will 100 percent be on the team next year. Komisarek and Liles are the only other players with 1 way contracts but there definitely not a lock for next years roster. Then you have Gardiner who should make the team (1.1 m cap hit) and Morgan Reilly fighting for a roster spot.
Gunnarson - RFA
Franson - RFA
Fraser - RFA
Holzer - RFA
Kostka - UFA


Phaneuf - ??????
Gardiner - ?????
??????? - ???????

I'd be okay with all one-way deals:

Gunnarsson - 5 years $12.5 - $15
Franson - 3 years $6.6 - 7.2
Fraser - 3 years $3
Holzer - 3 years $4.2
Kostka - 3 years $3

93gilmour93 02-23-2013 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bozak (Post 60291603)
Dion Phaneuf is our only defensmen that will 100 percent be on the team next year. Komisarek and Liles are the only other players with 1 way contracts but there definitely not a lock for next years roster. Then you have Gardiner who should make the team (1.1 m cap hit) and Morgan Reilly fighting for a roster spot.



Gunnarson - RFA
Franson - RFA
Fraser - RFA
Holzer - RFA
Kostka - UFA


Phaneuf - ??????
Gardiner - ?????
??????? - ???????

Something has to give with the leafs d-men. I think Komisarek gets bought out in the summer and at least one d-man moved by trade before the deadline.

New Liskeard 02-23-2013 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bozak (Post 60291743)
I break it down into 3 categories.

The two young guys: Gardiner, Reilly
Due for contract: Holzer, Gunnarson, Franson, Fraser, Kostka
Signed for next year: Phaneuf, Liles, Komisarek


OUT: Kostka, Komisarek, Reilly.


Morgan Reilly - WHL - seriously I have no problem with him dominating the WHL, build confidence, have a huge role for Canada at the U20 world championship like Alex Pitreangelo did as a 20 year old also. He will have many years in the NHL absoultley no need to rush him with the amount of depth we have.

Mike Koskta: He's been a great 5 on 5 player for us but he's a UFA. If he would accept a two way contract or a 1 year deal I would bring him back... but if not we have to many RFA's that are easier to sign and move around.

Komisarek: Trade, waive, minors... he actually hasn't be horrible for us but it's pretty clear with the amount of depth he doesn't have a spot.

Phaneuf - Gunnarson
Gardiner - Holzer
Fraser - Franson
Liles

No reason the Leafs can't carry 8 d. I think Kostka re-signs with the Leafs, and I hope he does. Cheap signing, likes playing with the leafs and is from Ajax.

johnny_rudeboy 02-23-2013 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New Liskeard (Post 60295079)
No reason the Leafs can't carry 8 d. I think Kostka re-signs with the Leafs, and I hope he does. Cheap signing, likes playing with the leafs and is from Ajax.

Ajax are mostly known for producing great attacking players but I think Kostka is solid enough to resign...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Xfz38Iw94L...-wallpaper.jpg

ULF_55 02-23-2013 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New Liskeard (Post 60295079)
No reason the Leafs can't carry 8 d. I think Kostka re-signs with the Leafs, and I hope he does. Cheap signing, likes playing with the leafs and is from Ajax.

I think a cheap multi-year deal would work for both team and players.

3 years at 1 million per year.

Set Kostka up for life.
Leafs take risk that he's benefiting from the lock-out distortion and falls back to earth, and he becomes a 5-7th. d-man.

p.l.f. 02-23-2013 09:43 AM

dunno if i keep gunnarsson

JEI 02-23-2013 09:48 AM

I imagine both Gardiner/Rielly on the team next year. Franson is earning his keep too and is young. Gunnarsson is a steady top-four who'll make some extra coin too. Fraser and Holzer will round out the depth/replacement players on cheap deals.

Phaneuf, Gardiner, Gunnarsson, Franson, Rielly, Fraser, Holzer.

There's seven defenders. I prefer to move Kostka if they can trade him for value, if not see what it'll take to re-sign him for depth purposes. I'd prefer the Leafs look to take whatever savings they can get off Kostka's potential raise and put it towards a top-four UFA defender. Who knows who may pop up on the market after potential buyouts this summer, or for trade.

New Liskeard 02-23-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ULF_55 (Post 60295167)
I think a cheap multi-year deal would work for both team and players.

3 years at 1 million per year.

Set Kostka up for life.
Leafs take risk that he's benefiting from the lock-out distortion and falls back to earth, and he becomes a 5-7th. d-man.

Agreed completely. Nice to see the Leafs have the depth they do, and a few youngsters who may be on the way in a few years. I have no issue with keeping Reilly in the WHL and let him develop. St Louis really took their time with Pietrangelo, certainlly didnt hurt him.

The Blue Devil 02-23-2013 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bozak (Post 60291743)
I break it down into 3 categories.

The two young guys: Gardiner, Reilly
Due for contract: Holzer, Gunnarson, Franson, Fraser, Kostka
Signed for next year: Phaneuf, Liles, Komisarek


OUT: Kostka, Komisarek, Reilly.


Morgan Reilly - WHL - seriously I have no problem with him dominating the WHL, build confidence, have a huge role for Canada at the U20 world championship like Alex Pitreangelo did as a 20 year old also. He will have many years in the NHL absoultley no need to rush him with the amount of depth we have.

Mike Koskta: He's been a great 5 on 5 player for us but he's a UFA. If he would accept a two way contract
or a 1 year deal I would bring him back... but if not we have to many RFA's that are easier to sign and move around.

Komisarek: Trade, waive, minors... he actually hasn't be horrible for us but it's pretty clear with the amount of depth he doesn't have a spot.

Phaneuf - Gunnarson
Gardiner - Holzer
Fraser - Franson
Liles

Why would that matter to you?

The Blue Devil 02-23-2013 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RtooDtu (Post 60292065)
I can see us trading Franson in a package deal that gets us a great centerman. With Gardiner and Reilly in the minors it means Franson is replaceable. You need to keep in mind in order to get something good you need to give up something good and is the main reason why Burke stacked the Blue line.

What I would like to see happen is this:

Franson + 1st rounder + MacArthur + Grabovski (would rather give up Grab but if push came to shove I would give up Bozak instead of Grab)

and we get the perfect 1st line center we've always needed. I have no Idea who that would be but with the players above it needs to be of Nash quality and young (if he is over 27 I'm not sure if I would want him). Or we can use that package to trade with a team for a top 3 draft selection in next year's draft.

No team would give up a pick for that, do people even consider cap implications when making proposals?

Donkey Punch 02-23-2013 10:03 AM

Gotta keep Fraser. Leafs have been trying for years to draft tough defenseman that can play and failing miserably (Gary Nylund, Luke Richardson, Bob McGill). This guy is a gift.

Kessely Snipes 02-23-2013 10:09 AM

I think Phaneuf, Gardiner, Gunnarson, Franson should all be locks. Wouldn't mind resigning Kostka if we can get him cheap and short term.

Tommy Torini 02-23-2013 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bozak (Post 60291603)
Dion Phaneuf is our only defensmen that will 100 percent be on the team next year. Komisarek and Liles are the only other players with 1 way contracts but there definitely not a lock for next years roster. Then you have Gardiner who should make the team (1.1 m cap hit) and Morgan Reilly fighting for a roster spot.



Gunnarson - RFA
Franson - RFA
Fraser - RFA
Holzer - RFA
Kostka - UFA


Phaneuf - ??????
Gardiner - ?????
??????? - ???????


I like Kostka, but he's a UFA, easier to let him go than anyone else, cross him off.

Franson has been playing really well, deserves to be re-signed and stay, Fraser too.

I'd like to hold on to Holzer and Gunnarsson as well.

Phaneuf-Holzer
Gardiner-Franson
Fraser-Liles
Gunnarsson

Voila! Problem solved.


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