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pld459666 02-23-2013 11:55 AM

thoughts on the following NYR proposals:
 
To Nashville - Brad Richards

To Rangers - Nashville 1st in 2013 and Kevin Klein
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To Colorado - Mike Del Zotto

To Rangers - Ryan O'Reilly
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Thoughts on each?

HankTheTankYoLo 02-23-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pld459666 (Post 60300517)
To Nashville - Brad Richards

To Rangers - Nashville 1st in 2013 and Kevin Klein
___________________________________________

To Colorado - Mike Del Zotto

To Rangers - Ryan O'Reilly
___________________________________________


Thoughts on each?


i dont want to trade Brad Richards, he will be better player.. just relax.

And no to the COL trade, Del Zotto is better than Klein for the first, ( i assume klein will replace DZ) And ROR wants to much, he isnt that good. and that leaves us with 2 2nd liner C.

marty111 02-23-2013 12:00 PM

Honest thoughts...

Second one has some legs.

First one... well when you sign a guy for a decade and then want to trade him less then a year later... well I hope no one helps the NYR with that mess.

sansabri 02-23-2013 12:01 PM

no on both accounts.

NYR would want more for Richards and COL would want more for O'Reilly.

AslanRH 02-23-2013 12:08 PM

The MDZ-ROR is fair value. Personally not sure MDZ is the best fit next to EJ, and not sure NYR would want to pay ROR if hes asking closer to 5m/yr than 4m/yr.

Freudian 02-23-2013 12:13 PM

If all it took to get O'Reilly was del Zotto, I have a feeling he'd be playing for Rangers right now. I think Rangers would have to add quite a bit.

bernmeister 02-23-2013 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pld459666 (Post 60300517)
To Nashville - Brad Richards

To Rangers - Nashville 1st in 2013 and Kevin Klein
___________________________________________

To Colorado - Mike Del Zotto

To Rangers - Ryan O'Reilly
___________________________________________


Thoughts on each?

Richards -- wishful thinking. Still has some value despite slow start, but contract raises concerns. Best option is to trade to a team who can use him, but can contingency use buyout on him after next year if necessary, in which case we have to pay them for that service. It's either that or we use our last compliance on him ourselves. I think there are several clubs not using both compliances, so it's a matter of what they want and what we are willing to pay.

ROR pros and cons ... is MDZ best traded or kept, and if traded, is ROR best return?
For example would rather do something like Stepan + MDZ + X for Evander Kane than straight up for ROR.

Joey Bones 02-23-2013 01:26 PM

Would take both and run. :yo:

AslanRH 02-23-2013 01:42 PM

ROR and Calahan together would make one stingy line to play against that could still put up very good Offensive numbers. Would be glad they are in the East.

Djp 02-23-2013 03:21 PM

The ROR/Del Zotto has been talked about...

The nashville proposal---fair--but for a 2014 #2...not a 2013 #1. The salary is alot for his age.

He is a potential mulligan by the rangers.

EuroFlair 02-23-2013 03:55 PM

Seems good for me.

Kershaw 02-23-2013 04:35 PM

More grinders, that'll help our scoring woes.

TrickRider 02-23-2013 05:04 PM

I really don't see NY doing either of these. I'm not sure any team is willing to give up that much for ROR at the moment, and they get hosed on the Richards trade.

Lonewolfe2015 02-23-2013 05:30 PM

I really hope the Avs wouldn't make that deal.

Machinehead 02-23-2013 05:37 PM

I take both of those and sprint.

Vitto79 02-23-2013 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty111 (Post 60300807)
Honest thoughts...

Second one has some legs.

First one... well when you sign a guy for a decade and then want to trade him less then a year later... well I hope no one helps the NYR with that mess.

its not a mess, Richards did just fine last yr.........he has a fair amount of pts this yr and has plenty of time to get better this yr........he did the same thing last yr and it ended up just fine

Also if Richards does suck which he wont then the Rangers have the buyout and well they are loaded so they could use it

Vitto79 02-23-2013 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freudian (Post 60301681)
If all it took to get O'Reilly was del Zotto, I have a feeling he'd be playing for Rangers right now. I think Rangers would have to add quite a bit.

I doubt it, first off why would the Rangers deal DZ when they dont have a replacement on D? If Colorado wants to add a Barrie or Ellott then Rangers may move a Christian Thomas back for example.

I would do
DZ, Thomas, Eminger, 3rd
for
O'Reilly, Barrie, O'Byrne

Kwayry 02-23-2013 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freudian (Post 60301681)
If all it took to get O'Reilly was del Zotto, I have a feeling he'd be playing for Rangers right now. I think Rangers would have to add quite a bit.

Del Zotto is a 40+ scoring PMD, there were only 19 of those in the league last season, but there were 100 forwards with 50+ points last season.
Del Zotto has the rarer skillset and is signed, RoR is not.
Avs would have to add.

Lonewolfe2015 02-23-2013 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vitto79 (Post 60326285)
I doubt it, first off why would the Rangers deal DZ when they dont have a replacement on D? If Colorado wants to add a Barrie or Ellott then Rangers may move a Christian Thomas back for example.

I would do
DZ, Thomas, Eminger, 3rd
for
O'Reilly, Barrie, O'Byrne

Wouldn't do that if the 3rd were a 1st (which you don't have anyways).

Wouldn't trade O'Reilly for Del Zotto, Barrie for Thomas and the O'Byrne/Eminger+3rd exchange is pointless as a whole.

BROOKLYnKNIGHTS 02-23-2013 08:46 PM

I think the NYR lose both trades

Selanne138 02-23-2013 09:02 PM

I wouldnt move Del Zotto straight up O'Reilly if I was NYR.

Top 6 Spaling 02-23-2013 09:12 PM

Uh..am I missing something? I figured Richards was borderline untouchable. Is he playing that badly? Would love him on the Preds.

FanHabtic 02-23-2013 09:22 PM

Habs will trade you White for a 2nd round pick. You guys need some toughness real bad!

Machinehead 02-23-2013 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top 6 Spaling (Post 60347763)
Uh..am I missing something? I figured Richards was borderline untouchable. Is he playing that badly? Would love him on the Preds.

No you wouldn't love him on the Preds, trust me. He's Mike Fisher lite. And I mean this year's Mike Fisher.

Petes2424 02-23-2013 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sansabri (Post 60300829)
no on both accounts.

NYR would want more for Richards and COL would want more for O'Reilly.

Im guessing Nashville wouldnt be up to Richards' contract either.


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