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Procrastinator 02-23-2013 09:24 PM

Paajarvi
 
hey whats up with this guy. i know hes still young but cant seem to put his skill set together in edm.

maybe a change of scene is what he needs? oils are loaded in top 6. and i think that Paajarvi is better then a 3rd liner.

thoughts?

Ice Whole 02-23-2013 09:32 PM

He's been playing great lately and with a lot more confidence. He's using his size and speed and driving to the net. Has been drawing penalties, creating chances and playing sound defensively.

nabob 02-23-2013 09:33 PM

Not all players develop into stars in their first two seasons. He has never been a super talented/skilled player. What he has tons of is speed and a great attitude. He has been very good in his role that the coach has given him this year which is 3rd line checker/PK.

supert 02-23-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Procrastinator (Post 60348935)
hey whats up with this guy. i know hes still young but cant seem to put his skill set together in edm.

maybe a change of scene is what he needs? oils are loaded in top 6. and i think that Paajarvi is better then a 3rd liner.

thoughts?

No he does not need a change of scene . He is fine where he is . Very happy with his play . Now if you want to swap one of your good young NHL defence men for him we will consider it . :naughty:

Tommy35 02-23-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Procrastinator (Post 60348935)
hey whats up with this guy. i know hes still young but cant seem to put his skill set together in edm.

maybe a change of scene is what he needs? oils are loaded in top 6. and i think that Paajarvi is better then a 3rd liner.

thoughts?

Your barking up the wrong tree., MPS will be an Oiler for a long time:naughty:

Oiltankjob Fail 02-23-2013 09:41 PM

He is never going to put up top 6 points , but has the tangibles to be a great 2 way shutdown forward. We will need these guys if we ever get to playoffs.

Njoy Oilers 02-23-2013 09:45 PM

He had a pretty good game. 1 rush he was just flying down left side with pass to Hemmer. Great scoring chance. Nothing wrong with that.

Joey Moss 02-23-2013 09:45 PM

A change in scenery would be huge for him to get the opportunity to be a more dimensional player. For us he's been great defensively and on the PK and that's all we need from him right now. If he ever gets traded I can see it being a Jordan Staal kind of situation where he gets an offensive role and the numbers start coming.

misfit 02-23-2013 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Procrastinator (Post 60348935)
hey whats up with this guy.

Short answer; Nothing.

Paajarvi has been great on pretty much every line he's played on this year. He has also taken on a penalty killing role which he has been doing quite well. If the concern is that he isn't putting up big point totals, then I would suggest watching him a little more closely. He hasn't been put in a position to put up numbers but his overall game is improving and the team is better with him than without him. If that's on a third line, then I don't see the problem.

McNutty780 02-23-2013 09:49 PM

I love his attitude and willingness to embrace a new role.

He is on track to be a speedy defensive specialist. In time, i can see him avg 35-45 points a year on a third line and theres nothing wrong with that.

I hope heres here for a long time and i'm enjoying watching him develop

Eskimo44 02-23-2013 10:11 PM

He's developing just fine. Similar to how Partik Berglund in St.Louis did, Paajarvi is going through an adjustment in learning how to use his size more as the N.American game is more physical than in europe. His decision making on the rush is improving as he's electing to use his size to drive to the net more as opposed to sending weak wristers on net while at full speed, although it is still the area of his game most needing improvment. Paajarvi is still very young and has a tremendous skill set, in time he IMO will be a quality middle 6 forward with size. Growing up a defenseman you can tell he's still a little too passive offensively but conversly he's rather good defensively, especially for his age.

He's not an elite talent, and for his age one could easily argue he's actually well ahead of the curve for his age still (despite the nonsense on HF about him being a bust). Look at the forwards taken in his draft year:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2009e.html

How many of them are clearly ahead of Paajarvi at this point? Tavares, Duchene, Kane, and just breaking out now Schenn. All of them were taken ahead of Paajarvi, all of them are projected to be stars. Kadri (also taken ahead), Johansson are the only other argument for guys taken in the first as being clearly ahead. Kadri is still a rather unproven rookie, he also doesn't possess the size, speed, or defensive ability of Paajarvi. Johansson only has 1 point in 9 games this season. To go even further he only has a career season of 12 points better than Paajarvi's best year while playing on a much better team. If we add the other rounds only O'Reilly is clearly ahead, and he's looking like a possible star too.

So to sum it up:

Tavares
Duchene
E.Kane
Schenn
O'Reilly

5 guys are clearly ahead, that's it. All are going to be stars and only one is a winger. If we include all other players who have even somewhat established themselves as prospects of note with their NHL time (or are at least have been exceptional in the AHL) we get:

Kadri
Johansson

Kassian
Silfverberg
M.Foligno
Holland
Kreider
Eakin
Caron
Shore
Beck (no NHL games yet)

Schroeder
Leblanc
Kruger
C.Smith
Josefson
Tatar
G.Bourque
Clifford
Morin

R.Smith
Lander
Palmeri
Ashton
Cizikas
Horak
Vincour
Nolan
Wellwood
(and a few others if i really wanted to)

I think it's fair to say Paajarvi fits comfortably in one of the top 2 groups of players after the elite talents (IMO it's group number 2). Even the most pesimistic would only slot him into the 3rd group and that's pretty decent still. One could realisticly argue he's tracking as a top 5 winger from his draft.

P.S. Please keep in mind that the rankings of prospects was done quickly and off the top of my head and there is probably some very fair arguments to rank a player in a list higher or lower. It's only an approximation and i don't think anyone listed is in a crazy slot, some guys (like Kreider) i am probably being too kind to relative to performance but i'm trying to create a more neutral list in terms of perception (i.e. the list is affected by what i believe to be popular perception.)

I think talk of Paajarvi's demise, or lack of development, is greatly exaggerated. Simply by looking at the development of other players his age i think we can see i have a pretty strong argument. Comparing his development to that of young phenoms like the 1st overalls or Eberle isn't fair, even Gagner's level of success is an awfully tough standard to reach for a young player. I really do think the Oilers are planning on being very patient with this young player, even if the fanbase at times does think the sky is falling. So let me ask you, how many guys listed would you slot ahead of Paajarvi?

AlowlyOilersfan 02-23-2013 10:29 PM

I think he's developing at a reasonable pace for a Swedish player. He still has stuff to work on, but he has great wheels.

Would be nice if he could stay in the NHL for at least the rest of this season while making some strides in the right direction.

Procrastinator 02-23-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by misfit (Post 60351215)
Short answer; Nothing.

Paajarvi has been great on pretty much every line he's played on this year. He has also taken on a penalty killing role which he has been doing quite well. If the concern is that he isn't putting up big point totals, then I would suggest watching him a little more closely. He hasn't been put in a position to put up numbers but his overall game is improving and the team is better with him than without him. If that's on a third line, then I don't see the problem.

There is 1 problem. His offensive skills are not being developed on the 3rd line. You are wasting one of his biggest attributes.

Joey Moss 02-23-2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Procrastinator (Post 60354647)
There is 1 problem. His offensive skills are not being developed on the 3rd line. You are wasting one of his biggest attributes.

I wouldn't say we're wasting anything. He's not better than Hall, Eberle, Yakupov or Hemsky so he won't get offensive opportunities. He's embraced his role and he's played it well. Until he is traded we won't know about his offensive abilities.

Procrastinator 02-23-2013 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey Moss (Post 60354809)
I wouldn't say we're wasting anything. He's not better than Hall, Eberle, Yakupov or Hemsky so he won't get offensive opportunities. He's embraced his role and he's played it well. Until he is traded we won't know about his offensive abilities.

thats my point. hes buried behind the good old boys while he prob posses more hockey sense on the entire team with the exception of rnh and eberle. hes got speed, size and a good shot. totally being misused.

Oiltankjob Fail 02-23-2013 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Procrastinator (Post 60354647)
There is 1 problem. His offensive skills are not being developed on the 3rd line. You are wasting one of his biggest attributes.

He has never had offensive numbers in the Sel why would he have them in the NHL.

Brokenhead 02-23-2013 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Procrastinator (Post 60354647)
There is 1 problem. His offensive skills are not being developed on the 3rd line. You are wasting one of his biggest attributes.

He doesn't have an NHL shot and he isn't particularily fond of going to the front of the net. He is being used properly imo, he isn't a top 6 player.

Joey Moss 02-23-2013 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Procrastinator (Post 60355063)
thats my point. hes buried behind the good old boys while he prob posses more hockey sense on the entire team with the exception of rnh and eberle. hes got speed, size and a good shot. totally being misused.

He is not being misused because he is not better than any of our top 6 wingers. We have no reason to deal him much like Pittsburgh with Staal.

Psycho Dad 02-23-2013 11:03 PM

The OP's concern was raised many times by Paajarvi fans before his demotion. Since his recall, I'd dare say the Paajarvi skeptics are pretty happy with his bottom-6 performance. It's a time of peace in the New Republic.

5RingsAndABeer 02-23-2013 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Procrastinator (Post 60355063)
thats my point. hes buried behind the good old boys while he prob posses more hockey sense on the entire team with the exception of rnh and eberle. hes got speed, size and a good shot. totally being misused.

I disagree. If he was as good as you suggest, he would have tore up the AHL.

I do think that he should get more chances with the elite playmakers, but he hasn't earned a top 6 spot yet.

Procrastinator 02-23-2013 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 5RingsAndABeer (Post 60355855)
I disagree. If he was as good as you suggest, he would have tore up the AHL.

I do think that he should get more chances with the elite playmakers, but he hasn't earned a top 6 spot yet.

hes got great speed for his size and knows how to drive the net and protect the puck at high speed. has a good shot. no one in edm is teaching him how to use his size to create time and space for himself. wasted talent of edm. trade him for a Dman and let him find his game somewhere other then on edm's 3rd line.

Oiltankjob Fail 02-23-2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Procrastinator (Post 60355063)
thats my point. hes buried behind the good old boys while he prob posses more hockey sense on the entire team with the exception of rnh and eberle. hes got speed, size and a good shot. totally being misused.

He was given prime top min in the Ahl last year he had a .75 ppg he is what he is a fast winger with offensive limitations, they are doing the right thing with him and developing him into a shut down guy.

The Perfect Human* 02-24-2013 12:02 AM

I'd rather package him up with picks/prospects to grab Nino Neiderreiter. He has better hands and hockey sense while providing similar speed and size, and still retains solid top-6 winger potential.

I'd rather sign UFA checking wingers than waste time developing them from within. They're a dime a dozen come July 1.

Oiltankjob Fail 02-24-2013 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Hemsky_83 (Post 60358803)
I'd rather package him up with picks/prospects to grab Nino Neiderreiter. He has better hands and hockey sense while providing similar speed and size, and still retains solid top-6 winger potential.

I'd rather sign UFA checking wingers than waste time developing them from within. They're a dime a dozen come July 1.

Yes his 2 nhl goals and 3 pts in 64 games is a testament top this .:help: Paajarvi has showed a lot more than nino has.

dnicks17 02-24-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Procrastinator (Post 60354647)
There is 1 problem. His offensive skills are not being developed on the 3rd line. You are wasting one of his biggest attributes.

Nothing is being wasted.

He has much more potential to be a 3rd line defensive specialist than he does a top6 scorer.

The Oilers are nurturing the side of his game that will be his ticket to be an NHL player.


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