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Hawkaholic 02-26-2013 03:48 PM

The Free Agents
 
Who do you sign, who do you let go, how much do you sign them for, and who goes to make room?


Here's my thoughts:

Trade Frolik
Compliance Buyout Olesz and Montador

RFA
Kruger 1.3mil/2yrs
Leddy 2.25mil/2yrs

UFA
Stalberg - 3mil/3yrs
Roszival 2.5mil/2yrs
Bickell let go
Mayers should retire
Emery let go

RFA/UFA Ice Hogs:
Beach 2yr, league minimum, two way
Stanton 2yr 600k, 2nd year one way
Lalonde 2yr 600k, two way
Lavin 2yr league minimum, two way
Richards let go

Roster:
FORWARDS
Brandon Saad ($0.895)/ Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Phillip Danault ($0.995m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.565m) / Victor Stalberg ($3.000m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Marcus Kruger ($1.300m) / Ben Smith ($0.563m)
Brandon Bollig ($0.575m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
Nick Leddy ($2.000m) / Michael Roszival ($2.500m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m)

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Back-up ($1.000m)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,931,000;
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,369,000

Illinihockey 02-26-2013 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkaholic (Post 60519135)
Who do you sign, who do you let go, how much do you sign them for, and who goes to make room?


Here's my thoughts:

Trade Frolik
Compliance Buyout Olesz and Montador

RFA
Kruger 1.3mil/2yrs
Leddy 2.25mil/2yrs

UFA
Stalberg - 3mil/3yrs
Roszival 2.5mil/2yrs
Bickell let go
Mayers should retire
Emery let go

RFA/UFA Ice Hogs:
Beach 2yr, league minimum, two way
Stanton 2yr 600k, 2nd year one way
Lalonde 2yr 600k, two way
Lavin 2yr league minimum, two way
Richards let go

Roster:
FORWARDS
Brandon Saad ($0.895)/ Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Phillip Danault ($0.995m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.565m) / Victor Stalberg ($3.000m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Marcus Kruger ($1.300m) / Ben Smith ($0.563m)
Brandon Bollig ($0.575m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
Nick Leddy ($2.000m) / Michael Roszival ($2.500m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m)

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Back-up ($1.000m)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,931,000;
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,369,000

I think you are underselling what both Kruger and Leddy will get. Guessing they get $4 mil combined. I'd let Roszival walk and hope one of your young players can come in as a depth defenseman, but Brookbank as the #6.

Hawkaholic 02-26-2013 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illinihockey (Post 60519409)
I think you are underselling what both Kruger and Leddy will get. Guessing they get $4 mil combined. I'd let Roszival walk and hope one of your young players can come in as a depth defenseman, but Brookbank as the #6.

Fine, give them each another 350k, we are still under the cap.

We have to remember they are RFA's and nobody will offer sheet them. If someone offer sheets Leddy for 3mil, bye bye.

CPHawksFan 02-26-2013 04:01 PM

I'd like to think we'd lock up Leddy for more than 2 years.

Illinihockey 02-26-2013 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPHawksFan (Post 60519907)
I'd like to think we'd lock up Leddy for more than 2 years.

Right, I think you get both of those guys for 3 years at least.

Bubba88 02-26-2013 04:03 PM

do not like the 2 year Rozi extension. Not sure if he has that left. 1 year and then we could give him another year without problem.

Emery will be that 1 million backup.

Any Colour You Like 02-26-2013 04:15 PM

At this point it's too difficult to tell, but I think that there's an 85% chance Emery comes back next year. If he doesn't, then we have to turn to free agency, and I'm not sure how that will go.

MurrayBannerman 02-26-2013 04:17 PM

If we win the Cup, we should do everything in our power to keep that group together. Stalberg or Frolik may be casualties, but overall it should look similar too this year's roster if it does happen.

Illinihockey 02-26-2013 04:19 PM

I just wish they'd lock up our RFA's before the off season. No reason to allow teams to try to offer sheet guys like we did with Hjalmersson. Get Leddy and Kruger done and then you can see if guys like Stalberg and Bickell want to stick around for what we can pay them.

x Tame Impala 02-26-2013 05:31 PM

If Kruger and Frolik keep killing penalties like they do, it'll be a bad decision not to keep them

Cullksinikers 02-26-2013 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MurrayBannerman (Post 60520779)
If we win the Cup, we should do everything in our power to keep that group together. Stalberg or Frolik may be casualties, but overall it should look similar too this year's roster if it does happen.

Bang on, Murray.

http://justanotherleafsfan.files.wor...ot-hmedium.jpg

This guy gets it.

Kurtosis 02-26-2013 05:48 PM

^^^
Was the addition of Pierre necessary?

BobbyJet 02-26-2013 05:53 PM

[QUOTE=Hawkaholic;60519765]Fine, give them each another 350k, we are still under the cap.

We have to remember they are RFA's and nobody will offer sheet them. If someone offer sheets Leddy for 3mil, bye bye.[/QUOTE]

That's a mighty bold statement. Young dmen with skill and great wheels fetch more than that.

Cullksinikers 02-26-2013 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurtosis (Post 60526475)
^^^
Was the addition of Pierre necessary?

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/S...L4gJzLTPrm.jpg

Relax, please.

Kurtosis 02-26-2013 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cullksinikers (Post 60527595)

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HockeySensible 02-26-2013 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkaholic (Post 60519765)
Fine, give them each another 350k, we are still under the cap.

We have to remember they are RFA's and nobody will offer sheet them. If someone offer sheets Leddy for 3mil, bye bye.

Are you kidding? I hope so.

I'd feel bad for Kruger if he was still the 4th line centre next year. He's capable of being more than that.. though, Shaw's been good as the third line centre, he could probably move back to the wing.

Saad - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Kruger/Bolland - Hossa
Shaw - Bolland/Kruger - Stalberg
Carcillo - Danault - Smith/J.Hayes/Beach
Bollig

Kurtosis 02-26-2013 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossTheBoss (Post 60529059)
Are you kidding? I hope so.

I'd feel bad for Kruger if he was still the 4th line centre next year. He's capable of being more than that.. though, Shaw's been good as the third line centre, he could probably move back to the wing.

Saad - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Kruger/Bolland - Hossa
Shaw - Bolland/Kruger - Stalberg
Carcillo - Danault - Smith/J.Hayes/Beach
Bollig

As much as I love Bolland, I feel his contract is becoming expendable. If I was Stan I would be listening to (or making) all offers in the offseason.

To add, I mean the aforementioned because I believe that Danault and McNeill will be blossoming and that there is only so much room on the roster for centers moving forward.

Cullksinikers 02-26-2013 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurtosis (Post 60529237)
As much as I love Bolland, I feel his contract is becoming expendable. If I was Stan I would be listening to (or making) all offers in the offseason.

To add, I mean the aforementioned because I believe that Danault and McNeill will be blossoming and that there is only so much room on the roster for centers moving forward.

Teuvo is another guy that will make an impact. The impact will probably be as a top-six center.

I think our future at center will be something like this: Toews, Teuvo, Danault, and Hayes.

HockeySensible 02-26-2013 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurtosis (Post 60529237)
As much as I love Bolland, I feel his contract is becoming expendable. If I was Stan I would be listening to (or making) all offers in the offseason.

To add, I mean the aforementioned because I believe that Danault and McNeill will be blossoming and that there is only so much room on the roster for centers moving forward.

Unfortunately, I was thinking the exact same thing when trying to figure out the centre situation next year. I love Bolland though and it would suck to see him go.. but, with the amount he makes (and he's not overpaid, IMO), Chicago could use Kruger/Shaw as the third line centre and then use Bolland+ to grab a solid #2 centre.

Again though, I can't stress this enough, I love Bolland and would hate to see him go.. it's just tough to see him being on this team past next season.

Hawkaholic 02-26-2013 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossTheBoss (Post 60529059)
Are you kidding? I hope so.

I'd feel bad for Kruger if he was still the 4th line centre next year. He's capable of being more than that.. though, Shaw's been good as the third line centre, he could probably move back to the wing.

Saad - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Kruger/Bolland - Hossa
Shaw - Bolland/Kruger - Stalberg
Carcillo - Danault - Smith/J.Hayes/Beach
Bollig

I dont see how Leddy is worth 3mil, and I'm tired of management paying for potential. I would rather keep our forward depth, than keep someone who doesn't care to play in Chicago. It's not that I don't think Leddy will eventually be worth it, just tired of seeing our RFAs hold out for big money (or sign offer sheets) when they know the situation we are in.

That and we need room to sign Hammer and Bolland the next year.

HockeySensible 02-26-2013 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkaholic (Post 60533175)
I dont see how Leddy is worth 3mil, and I'm tired of management paying for potential. I would rather keep our forward depth, than keep someone who doesn't care to play in Chicago. It's not that I don't think Leddy will eventually be worth it, just tired of seeing our RFAs hold out for big money (or sign offer sheets) when they know the situation we are in.

That and we need room to sign Hammer and Bolland the next year.

So, a 22-year-old Nick Leddy, who had 37 points last year and has improved his overall game this year, playing a lesser role, isn't worth 3M per but 27-year-old Stalberg is? I don't get that. I know, at the end of the day, a player signs an offer-sheet, but a young player like Leddy, who's never negotiated a secondary contract would be heavily influenced by his agent. So, even if Leddy sgned an OS, that wouldn't necessarily mean he doesn't want to be in Chicago, but rather his agent is guaranteeing him more money.

Not to mention, Chicago has far less options in the replacing Leddy than they do in replacing Stalberg. You're far, far more likely to find a replacement for Stalberg in Teravainen, Danault, McNeill, J.Hayes, Morin, K.Hayes, Nordstrom, Calnan, Shalunov, etc than you are to find a Nick Leddy replacement in Clendening, Fournier, Holl, Mattson, Lalonde, etc.. (Guys like Johns, Olsen, Dahlbeck don't bring the same game as Leddy).

At the end of the day though, I don't think it will matter. Leddy should be signed before another team has a chance to offer=sheet him and judging by the lack of offer-sheets to guys like Benn, O'Relly, Subban, etc.. I doubt anyone even attempts to give Leddy one, should he reach that point in the summer without a contract.

Kurtosis 02-26-2013 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkaholic (Post 60533175)
I dont see how Leddy is worth 3mil, and I'm tired of management paying for potential. I would rather keep our forward depth, than keep someone who doesn't care to play in Chicago. It's not that I don't think Leddy will eventually be worth it, just tired of seeing our RFAs hold out for big money (or sign offer sheets) when they know the situation we are in.

That and we need room to sign Hammer and Bolland the next year.

I would take Leddy over Bolland easily considering the circumstances.

Hawkaholic 02-26-2013 07:16 PM

Leddy over Bolland, give me a break. I like Leddy but that is complete nonsense.

I don't want to turn this into a Leddy thread, so i'll just stick to what I said above. RFAs should sign bridge contracts and not sign offer sheets. If Subban got 2.5, no way in hell should Leddy get more than 2. It's a pet peeve I have that won't change. I hated Hammer for what he did, and I don't want to go through with that with Leddy. Sign with us for a fair price or GTFO.

Kurtosis 02-26-2013 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkaholic (Post 60535843)
Leddy over Bolland, give me a break. I like Leddy but that is complete nonsense.

I don't want to turn this into a Leddy thread, so i'll just stick to what I said above. RFAs should sign bridge contracts and not sign offer sheets. If Subban got 2.5, no way in hell should Leddy get more than 2. It's a pet peeve I have that won't change. I hated Hammer for what he did, and I don't want to go through with that with Leddy. Sign with us for a fair price or GTFO.

Leddy over Bolland is because of who is in the pipeline, not necessarily the player comparison. This team is deeper at forward and center than defense in the minors. That is why I put Leddy ahead. I also am high on Leddy's potential as well. He is showing top 4 potential, while Bolland is a solid 3rd line center which I think Danault or McNeill can replicate.

Hawkaholic 02-26-2013 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurtosis (Post 60536409)
Leddy over Bolland is because of who is in the pipeline, not necessarily the player comparison. This team is deeper at forward and center than defense in the minors. That is why I put Leddy ahead. I also am high on Leddy's potential as well. He is showing top 4 potential, while Bolland is a solid 3rd line center which I think Danault or McNeill can replicate.

We arent playing for 5years from now, we are playing to win in the next 2 or 3 years.

Leddy is a bottom pairing Dman on this team, Bolland is an average #2C or amazing #3C. Depth dmen are harder to find than shutdown Cmen.

Bolland over Leddy all day, now and in 3-5 years.


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