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DJB 02-26-2013 10:14 PM

Achilles injuries in the NFL and how it relates to EK
 
http://dynastyleaguefootball.com/201...dynasty-doctor

There is an excellent study from Duke, published in 2009, that describes recovery rates for NFL players with a torn Achilles tendon between 1997 to 2002. In total, 31 NFL players were evaluated and 36% were unable to return to play at all after surgery. The remaining players had a substantial reduction in performance, measured by variables such as receiving yards, passing yards, rushing and receiving touchdowns.

Click on the link to see more. Last 3rd of the article talks about achilles injuires. The ACL talk is also good.

Nabokov20 02-26-2013 10:26 PM

Good find.

Not really the same sport, but it states a 6-9 month recovery period. With the injuries the Sens have occurred this season, there's little point in rushing EK back. Get the young guys some valuable playing experience and see what happens. Hopefully Alfie returns next year and go for it then.

arglebargle 02-26-2013 10:28 PM

This is terrifying.

N Bahn Ahden 02-26-2013 10:33 PM

I have no medical expertise to back this up, but perhaps football is more demanding on the achilles?

Caje 02-26-2013 10:34 PM

I'm not that concerned. There have been significant medical advances in the past 10 years, and hockey is a completely different sport than football anyway. We also don't even know how bad the tear was for the players in this study.

Mercurial 02-26-2013 10:36 PM

When the injury happened it was said that a complete rupture would be very bad news. The clean cut and not complete severing were good outcomes for the injury, and complete recovery expected. A partial cut means the tendon didnt need to be shortened when repaired.

Stylizer1 02-26-2013 10:57 PM

Plus hockey is a mans sport. :sarcasm:

Nordic* 02-27-2013 12:24 AM

I played soccer together with one of the most talented players in Sweden (in his age group), when we were 15. He tore his achilles and never returned to anywhere close to where he was previous to the injury - and it wasn't due to lack of trying. He played on the youth national team and was better than the guys who then went all the way to the senior national team, before it happened.

Chances are, that Karlsson will lose a step and moveability, which is pretty much what sets him apart from the rest at this point.


Sad.

balaclava brian 02-27-2013 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJB (Post 60557501)
http://dynastyleaguefootball.com/201...dynasty-doctor

There is an excellent study from Duke, published in 2009, that describes recovery rates for NFL players with a torn Achilles tendon between 1997 to 2002. In total, 31 NFL players were evaluated and 36% were unable to return to play at all after surgery. The remaining players had a substantial reduction in performance, measured by variables such as receiving yards, passing yards, rushing and receiving touchdowns.

Click on the link to see more. Last 3rd of the article talks about achilles injuires. The ACL talk is also good.

What is the point of posting this? Something terrible happened, therefore let's make the situation even more grim by posting this..

Yes, people should be aware of the possible scenarios, but this is akin to throwing gasoline on a fire.

Let's try to remain positive. Perhaps your energy would be better used for searching for the advancements in surgery and recovery methods for such injuries.

ReginKarlssonLehner 02-27-2013 12:46 AM

Yea... this is literally a horrible thread to make.

OD99 02-27-2013 12:54 AM

I don't know of them offhand but I know there are guys in the NHL who have returned after a torn Achilles and I don't recall there being a huge drop-off.

Also as someone pointed out it wasn't a complete tear and the most devastating part of that injury is the shortening of the tendon and that isn't the case in Karlsson's situation.

Lastly, even if he did lose some speed he would still be the class of the NHL.

Stick To Your Guns 02-27-2013 01:30 AM

I think it's different in Football. Think about it, in Football or soccer knee injuries are way more devastating as there is a lot more pressure and force used when you run and especially stop and turn (think a running back), while in hockey the blade takes most of the force if not all of it. Wouldn't this be the same with the Achilles? This is coming my from my own experience playing hockey and football. In hockey my knee doesn't feel anything after the game (torn MCL/meniscus) after football it was bad and hurt a lot.

McManked 02-27-2013 01:35 AM

Show me examples from the sport he plays. This is barely relevant.

Gil Gunderson 02-27-2013 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manked (Post 60568521)
Show me examples from the sport he plays. This is barely relevant.

Bieksa's cut was 90%. He said it took him about a year to return to form.

DylanSensFan 02-27-2013 02:18 AM

What are people not understanding about 100% recovery... That doesn't mean 30 or 50 or 70... 100% means Karlsson will be back to the way he was before. As Karlsson said, he may even be in better shape than he was this season.

McManked 02-27-2013 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gil Gunderson (Post 60568625)
Bieksa's cut was 90%. He said it took him about a year to return to form.

That's fine.

As long as Karlsson returns to form I don't care if I have to wait a year.

Beville 02-27-2013 03:15 AM

Let's not forget the huge advances in medicine between 2002 and now...

Nac Mac Feegle 02-27-2013 03:41 AM

Don't forget the mental side of things. Speed and agility are two of the major strengths in Karlsson's game. If he has any doubts about either (whether the achilles is 100% or not), those doubts could affect him more than the physical side of things. It all depends on his attitude and outlook.

Just have to wait and see.

EssendonBombers 02-27-2013 03:57 AM

A cut is probably "cleaner" than a tear as well, and will presumably be able to heal more linearly and hence faster and closer to it's original form.

OgieO 02-27-2013 06:13 AM

Not relevant at all. Completely different sport. Demands of the achilles are not even close to the same.

Smash88 02-27-2013 07:29 AM

Running and skating have vastly different demands on the Achilles.. An Achilles injury in hockey is nowhere near as bad as it is in any running sport...

Qward 02-27-2013 07:51 AM

Sami Salo tore his and thought he was done. Now is his playing better than ever.

VVS 02-27-2013 08:14 AM

I don't see how that study can be relevant. I can accept the different sports, since they are both physically straining activities, but the fact that they latest injury is from 11 years ago basically makes this irrelevant.

Medical science has advanced a ton, and you'd have something much more relevant if you look at Terry Suggs, and other NFL players with a similar injury in the past 4-5 years as opposed to 11-16 years.

Here I Pageau Again 02-27-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gil Gunderson (Post 60568625)
Bieksa's cut was 90%. He said it took him about a year to return to form.

But he returned to form.

From hockey examples, it seems that most people have returned to form.

Also, like others have said... its hard to say if this is even relevant as you don't know how badly the tear was and all the advances made in the last 5-10 years. And also, from what I've understood, a tear is worse than being severed as it is more difficult to repair (jagged tear VS clean cut).

I'm not crying until I know for sure what's up and how Karlsson recovers!

Holdurbreathe 02-27-2013 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beville (Post 60569669)
Let's not forget the huge advances in medicine between 2002 and now...

I also tend to believe a torn or ruptured achilles is more difficult to repair than a clean cut one.


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