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MrTaterSalad 02-26-2013 10:16 PM

What If There Were No Conferences
 
What if the NHL were to simply scrap conferences altogether? You simply play in a league with divisions only. Every team plays their divisional opponent six times as they do now. They then play every other team with one home and one away game. For teams that have more than four teams in their division that leaves them with four extra games in which they play two home and two away at their biggest non-division rivalries. Detroit plays Boston three times a year, New York Rangers play Montreal three times a year, etc. Then for the playoffs all teams are re-seeded in a 1 through 16 format based on record. There would be no divisional playoff games, the best 16 teams get in and faceoff against one another.

Division Games (4 Team Divisions): 24 games/12 home, 12 away
Division Games (5 Team Divisions): 30 games/15 home, 15 away
Non-Division Games (4 and 5 teams): 52 games/26 home, 26 away against every team in the league
Non-Division Extra Games (4 Team): 4 games/2 home, two away against biggest rivals

Quote:

Atlantic-
Columbus
NY Rangers
New Jersey
Philadelphia

Central-
Chicago
Detroit
Ottawa
Toronto

Midwest-

Dallas
Minnesota
Nashville
St. Louis

Northeast-
Boston
Buffalo
NY Islanders
Montreal
(Add Quebec if they join)

Northwest-
Calgary
Colorado
Edmonton
Winnipeg

Pacific-
Anaheim
Los Angeles
Phoenix
San Jose
Vancouver
(Add Seattle if they join and move Phoenix)

Southeast-
Carolina
Florida
Pittsburgh
Tampa Bay
Washington
Thoughts???

MGregoir 02-27-2013 12:02 AM

There is an eighty-two game formula that works with this:

Home and away four times (eight games times four opponents for thirty-two intradivision games) inside your division.

Home and away against the other twenty-five teams in the league for a total of fifty non-division games.

It comes up to a nice round 82 game season. The travel is not too bad for anyone, Detroit and Columbus kind of get their wish by playing the majority of their schedule in the eastern time zone, and by playing every team it gives a way to work an easy wildcard race. The penalty of the extra game in the division is balanced out by the added value to season ticket holders of getting to see a far greater variety of opponents otherwise.

Top two teams in each division play each other in the first round of the playoffs, and the two wildcards face each other. After the second round reseed, the new 1-seed faces the winner of the wildcard "division" series. You'd still have an East and West, but strictly in the terms of bracketing.

Primrose Everdeen 02-27-2013 02:39 AM

Conferences only. 2 home and 2 away against your conference (56 games). One home and one away against the other conference (30 more games for 86 total).

1st place in each conference plays a best of 11 for the Stanley Cup.

:sarcasm:

Big McLargehuge 02-27-2013 03:42 AM

...Columbus over Pittsburgh in the Atlantic? Really?
...Columbus over the Islanders in the Atlantic? Really?

I'm not a huge fan of the idea, disregarding semantics about team positioning. Honestly I like the idea the NHL is pushing for the most part. I've been wanting a return to the 4 division format ever since I was a kid. Once expansion fixes the team number discrepancy (which this idea doesn't fix...the league needs to be at 28 or 32 for this to be even as well) it'll be fine.

wildthing202 02-27-2013 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrTaterSalad (Post 60557657)
What if the NHL were to simply scrap conferences altogether? You simply play in a league with divisions only. Every team plays their divisional opponent six times as they do now. They then play every other team with one home and one away game. For teams that have more than four teams in their division that leaves them with four extra games in which they play two home and two away at their biggest non-division rivalries. Detroit plays Boston three times a year, New York Rangers play Montreal three times a year, etc. Then for the playoffs all teams are re-seeded in a 1 through 16 format based on record. There would be no divisional playoff games, the best 16 teams get in and faceoff against one another.

Division Games (4 Team Divisions): 24 games/12 home, 12 away
Division Games (5 Team Divisions): 30 games/15 home, 15 away
Non-Division Games (4 and 5 teams): 52 games/26 home, 26 away against every team in the league
Non-Division Extra Games (4 Team): 4 games/2 home, two away against biggest rivals



Thoughts???

Why the f### is Pittsburgh in the SE? You might as well keep them in the Atlantic or put them in the Central or the NE but not the f###ing SE.

tarheelhockey 02-27-2013 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrTaterSalad (Post 60557657)
What if the NHL were to simply scrap conferences altogether? You simply play in a league with divisions only.

Isn't that more or less what was proposed a year ago?

MrTaterSalad 02-27-2013 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildthing202 (Post 60570601)
Why the f### is Pittsburgh in the SE? You might as well keep them in the Atlantic or put them in the Central or the NE but not the f###ing SE.

Because you need anchor teams, from hockey markets that can draw fans into arenas and Pittsburgh can do that.

wildthing202 02-27-2013 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrTaterSalad (Post 60574293)
Because you need anchor teams, from hockey markets that can draw fans into arenas and Pittsburgh can do that.

They don't need one they've got Ovie and the Caps.

tarheelhockey 02-27-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildthing202 (Post 60576489)
They don't need one they've got Ovie and the Caps.

Because Washington has been a marquee franchise for more than 5 years of their entire history...

Vamos Rafa 02-27-2013 01:25 PM

I would love it if the playoff format allowed random matchups every year. Like say, Toronto and Montreal are in the semifinal and then they meet again the following year. But this time, it's for the Final.

tarheelhockey 02-27-2013 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rafa Nadal (Post 60586957)
I would love it if the playoff format allowed random matchups every year. Like say, Toronto and Montreal are in the semifinal and then they meet again the following year. But this time, it's for the Final.

If it were truly random, the odds of two teams meeting in consecutive seasons would be much smaller than 1%.

patnyrnyg 02-27-2013 03:39 PM

7 divisions? Yeah, not a fan of this idea, sorry. Anything that breaks up the Rangers and Islanders will just not work and I would likely give up my season tickets.

Djp 02-27-2013 07:14 PM

no conferences....

each team has 3 designated rivals. They play rivals 16 times (5,5, and 6 games) (rivals could rotate or be adjusted)

all teams play each other twice. 2 x 26 = 52 games

14 of the 26 you play 3 times = 14 additional games

total games = 82

Puckschmuck* 02-27-2013 08:45 PM

.......there would be some mass chaos, yo.

KevFu 02-27-2013 10:40 PM

The fundamental problem with that is you do not have equal groups of teams that belong together.

MrTaterSalad 02-28-2013 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevFu (Post 60628229)
The fundamental problem with that is you do not have equal groups of teams that belong together.

You have 16-14 in terms of balance amongst the conferences in the current proposal. I don't see my idea as out of balance anymore so than the current realignment proposal.

CBCnutcase 02-28-2013 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MGregoir (Post 60565153)
There is an eighty-two game formula that works with this:

Home and away four times (eight games times four opponents for thirty-two intradivision games) inside your division.

Home and away against the other twenty-five teams in the league for a total of fifty non-division games.

Here is another balanced schedule with 2 more or less games.

4x5=20 or 4x6=24
10x3=30
15x2=30

and that equals 80 or 84 games.

Undertakerqc 02-28-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrTaterSalad (Post 60557657)
What if the NHL were to simply scrap conferences altogether? You simply play in a league with divisions only. Every team plays their divisional opponent six times as they do now. They then play every other team with one home and one away game. For teams that have more than four teams in their division that leaves them with four extra games in which they play two home and two away at their biggest non-division rivalries. Detroit plays Boston three times a year, New York Rangers play Montreal three times a year, etc. Then for the playoffs all teams are re-seeded in a 1 through 16 format based on record. There would be no divisional playoff games, the best 16 teams get in and faceoff against one another.

Division Games (4 Team Divisions): 24 games/12 home, 12 away
Division Games (5 Team Divisions): 30 games/15 home, 15 away
Non-Division Games (4 and 5 teams): 52 games/26 home, 26 away against every team in the league
Non-Division Extra Games (4 Team): 4 games/2 home, two away against biggest rivals



Thoughts???

Smartest idea i have heard so far. Please fax this to the NHL.

Wizeman* 02-28-2013 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patofqc (Post 60683343)
Smartest idea i have heard so far. Please fax this to the NHL.

We used to have this just over 30 years ago. I love it cause from any year to year two teams can make the finals. Doesnt have to be an east vs west thing.

The western teams would love it because they are used to it, the Eastern teams would cry bloody murder that they too have to travel the same as the west.:cry:


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