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Crafton 02-27-2013 01:32 PM

The Winger Acquisition Thread | Part VI: Lacking Wingers, "We Lay Waste Our Powers"
 
WINGERZ

lets keep all winger acquisition talk here.

Player
Shoots
Age
Current Team
Playoffs
Cap Hit
Signed Till
Role
Attainability
Corey Perry
RW/RHS
27
Anaheim
In Contention
$5,325,000
2012-13
Crosby's Dream
Pending UFA
Bobby Ryan
RW/RHS
25
Anaheim
In Contention
$5,100,000
2014-15
Crosby's Dream
Pure Fantasy
Thomas Vanek
LW/RHS
29
Buffalo
Not Likely
$7,142,857
2013-14
Crosby's Sniper
ein Mann Verbrennung
Jason Pominville
RW/RHS
30
Buffalo
Not Likely
$5,300,000
2013-14
Crosby's Playmaker
Impending Rebuild, trade-board
Drew Stafford
RW/RHS
27
Buffalo
Not Likely
$4,000,000
2014-15
Crosby's School-Chum
Playing on Third Line
Alex Semin
RW/RHS
28
Carolina
In Contention
$7,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Hired Gun
Carolina Love Story
RJ Umberger
LW/LHS
30
Columbus
Not Likely
$4,600,000
2016-17
Malkin's Kunitz?
Burdensome Contract?
Alex Tanguay
LW/LHS
33
Calgary
Not Likely
$3,500,000
2015-16
Crosby's Third Wheel
Impending Youth Movement?
Curtis Glencross
LW/LHS
30
Calgary
No Likely
$2,550,000
2014-15
Crosby's Third Wheel
Hockey Trade?
Jarome Iginla
RW/RHS
35
Calgary
Not Likely
$7,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Olympian
Pending UFA, Bourque-ing
Lee Stempniak
RW/RHS
30
Calgary
Not Likely
$2,500,000
2013-14
Crosby's Lee Remick
Impending Youth Movement?
Viktor Stålberg
RW/LHS
27
Chicago
In Contention
$875,000
2012-13
Crosby's TFK?
Ample Forward Depth?
Jamie McGinn
LW/LHS
24
Colorado
Not Likely
$1,750,000
2013-14
Crosby's Kunitz
Ample Forward Depth?
David Jones
RW/RHS
28
Colorado
Not Likely
$4,000,000
2015-16
Crosby's Pop-Star
Ample Forward Depth?
Ray Whitney
LW/RHS
40
Dallas
In Contention
$4,500,000
2013-14
Crosby's Wizard
Ample Forward Depth?
Brenden Morrow
LW/LHS
34
Dallas
In Contention
$4,100,000
2012-13
Crosby's Guerin
busted down and worn out
Jaromír Jágr
RW/LHS
40
Dallas
In Contention
$4,550,000
2012-13
Crosby's Troll
Pending UFA, Nostalgia
Michael Ryder
RW/RHS
32
Dallas
In Contention
$3,500,000
2012-13
Crosby's Sniper
Traded to MTL
Johan Franzen
RW/LHS
33
Detroit
In Contention
$3,954,545
2019-20
Crosby's Mule
Dat Contract, Dat Inconsistency
Aleš Hemský
RW/RHS
29
Edmonton
On the Bubble
$5,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Playmaker
Youth Movement?
Magnus Pääjärvi
LW/LHS
21
Edmonton
On the Bubble
$1,525,000
2012-13
Malkin's Kunitz?
Ample Forward Depth?
Alexei Kovalev
RW/LHS
39
Florida
Not Likely
$1,450,000
2012-13
TDL Seller?
Peter Mueller
RW/RHS
24
Florida
Not Likely
$1,725,000
2012-13
Crosby's Running Mate
Haircut fail
Simon Gagné
LW/LHS
32
Los Angeles
In Contention
$4,500,000
2012-13
Sýkora-esque?
Traded to PHI
Charlie Coyle
RW/RHS
20
Minnesota
On the Bubble
$975,000
2014-15
Crosby's Neal
Ample Forward Depth?
Dany Heatley
LW/LHS
32
Minnesota
On the Bubble
$7,500,000
2013-14
Not Crosby's Driver
Burdensome Contract?
PM Bouchard
LW/LHS
28
Minnesota
On the Bubble
$4,080,000
2012-13
Crosby's Quiet Room Bud
Pending UFA
Devin Setoguchi
RW/RHS
26
Minnesota
On the Bubble
$3,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Neal
Hockey Trade?
Brian Gionta
RW/RHS
34
Montréal
In Contention
$5,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Midget
Overpriced Veteran
Colin Wilson
LW/LHS
23
Nashville
In Contention
$2,000,000
2014-15
Crosby's Neal
Hockey Trade?
Patric Hörnqvist
RW/RHS
26
Nashville
In Contention
$3,083,333
2012-13
Crosby's Net-Front Screen
Pending RFA
Nino Niederreiter
RW/LHS
20
NY Islanders
On the Bubble
$2,795,000
2013-14
Crosby's Neal
Katie Strang Report
Radim Vrbata
RW/RHS
31
Phoenix
In Contention
$3,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Sniper
Hockey Trade?
Ryane Clowe
LW/LHS
30
San Jose
In Contention
$3,625,000
2012-13
Crosby's Kunitz
Pending UFA
Chris Stewart
RW/RHS
25
St. Louis
In Contention
$3,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Neal
100:1 with Tarasenko situation
Ryan Malone
LW/LHS
33
Tampa Bay
In Contention
$4,500,000
2014-15
Overpaid Veteran
Clarke MacArthur
LW/LHS
27
Toronto
In Contention
$3,250,000
2012-13
Crosby's Big Chief
Underwhelming Performance, UFA
Николай Кулёмин
LW/LHS
26
Toronto
In Contention
$2,800,000
2013-14
Malkin's BFF
Underwhelming Performance
Blake Wheeler
RW/RHS
26
Winnipeg
Not Likely
$2,550,000
2012-13
Crosby's Tyger
Little Hope, Pending RFA

Crafton 02-27-2013 01:33 PM

thread title comes from William Wordsworth's famous sonnet, The World Is Too Much with Us.

Quote:

The world is too much with us; late and soon,
Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers;
Little we see in Nature that is ours;
We have given our hearts away, a sordid boon!
This Sea that bares her bosom to the moon,
The winds that will be howling at all hours,
And are up-gathered now like sleeping flowers,
For this, for everything, we are out of tune;
It moves us not. --Great God! I'd rather be
A Pagan suckled in a creed outworn;
So might I, standing on this pleasant lea,
Have glimpses that would make me less forlorn;
Have sight of Proteus rising from the sea;
Or hear old Triton blow his wreathèd horn.
KIRK should be especially pleased by a title which harnesses his 'two good wingers each for Sid and Geno' paradigm.

leafspensfan 02-27-2013 01:36 PM

For some vets, what about:

Hejduk
Umberger
Ryan Smyth (Edmonton retains salary somehow)
Bertuzzi? (probably not)


Anyone that criticizes my choices or anyone else's choices, should probably give a reason why and provide their own choices, rather than looking like an overgrown, pompous *********.

12IsGreaterThan47 02-27-2013 01:38 PM

I've HAD it with this mother ****in' winger threads on this mother ****in'
board!

(DO SOMETHING SHERO!)

#66 02-27-2013 01:41 PM

As much as i really want to get the winger situation fixed this year I would love to see who gets bought out next year and can be had cheaply. I think we're going to see some pretty big names on that list.

Fire Shero* 02-27-2013 01:41 PM

It must be nice to be Ray Shero. It seems no matter what he does or doesnt do fans will blindly defend him. Hindsight is 20/20! We don't have cap room to sign anyone respectable. Now Shero has cap room and he signs Tanner Glass.

I find it hard to believe Shero aggressively pursued Semin. He just doesn't seem like a disco type player being that he has skill and not a grinder.

If Shero didn't actively pursue Semin he should be reprimanded by Mario. You finally can address the lack of wingers and you pass. So instead of signing Semin you go into the season with Tangradi in the top 6. Anyone with half of a brain knew Tangradi is crap. He isn't even a guaranteed nhl player, let alone a top 6 solution.

cheesedanish87 02-27-2013 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Wingers (Post 60587873)
It must be nice to be Ray Shero. It seems no matter what he does or doesnt do fans will blindly defend him. Hindsight is 20/20! We don't have cap room to sign anyone respectable. Now Shero has cap room and he signs Tanner Glass.

I find it hard to believe Shero aggressively pursued Semin. He just doesn't seem like a disco type player being that he has skill and not a grinder.

If Shero didn't actively pursue Semin he should be reprimanded by Mario. You finally can address the lack of wingers and you pass. So instead of signing Semin you go into the season with Tangradi in the top 6. Anyone with half of a brain knew Tangradi is crap. He isn't even a guaranteed nhl player, let alone a top 6 solution.

So your saying Semin is not a DB type player but he should of signed him? Why would shero go sign players who DB doesn't want to coach?

JimmyTwoTimes 02-27-2013 01:51 PM

You have too much semin in you.

He wasn't an option. I'd like to have him. But it was obvious he wasn't coming here.

Fire Shero* 02-27-2013 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheesedanish87 (Post 60588227)
So your saying Semin is not a DB type player but he should of signed him? Why would shero go sign players who DB doesn't want to coach?

Malkin isnt a disco type player. He manages alright under discos reign of incompetence. Semin would hopefully excel despite Shero too,

Fire Shero* 02-27-2013 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyTwoTimes (Post 60588469)
You have too much semin in you.

He wasn't an option. I'd like to have him. But it was obvious he wasn't coming here.

And why was it so obvious? Because our GM is too small minded to bring in any European players. Michalek had one off year and the dude gets traded for scraps.

Shady Machine 02-27-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leafspensfan (Post 60587585)
For some vets, what about:

Hejduk
Umberger
Ryan Smyth (Edmonton retains salary somehow)
Bertuzzi? (probably not)


Anyone that criticizes my choices or anyone else's choices, should probably give a reason why and provide their own choices, rather than looking like an overgrown, pompous *********.

Hejduk - Unlikely to happen IMO. He seems like a lifer for Colorado but I would put feeders out there for him.

Umberger - I'm down with him. A little too expensive and could create cap problems down the line but if it were Umberger or nothing, I'm taking Umberger.

Smyth - Eh I don't see a lot left here and he wanted to go back to Edmonton. Not sure he would move.

Bertuzzi - No thanks

Shady Machine 02-27-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Wingers (Post 60587873)
It must be nice to be Ray Shero. It seems no matter what he does or doesnt do fans will blindly defend him. Hindsight is 20/20! We don't have cap room to sign anyone respectable. Now Shero has cap room and he signs Tanner Glass.

I find it hard to believe Shero aggressively pursued Semin. He just doesn't seem like a disco type player being that he has skill and not a grinder.

If Shero didn't actively pursue Semin he should be reprimanded by Mario. You finally can address the lack of wingers and you pass. So instead of signing Semin you go into the season with Tangradi in the top 6. Anyone with half of a brain knew Tangradi is crap. He isn't even a guaranteed nhl player, let alone a top 6 solution.

Listen man. I just asked you to list what you want Shero to do and all you can say is "sign Semin". Okay so he missed out on one "controversial" but really talented winger. That's all you've got. I'm fine with constructive criticism but all you seem to do is ***** but then don't have any solutions.

SHOOTANDSCORE 02-27-2013 01:59 PM

DB wants to get back to Ruslan Fedotenko hockey :sarcasm:

Fire Shero* 02-27-2013 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shady Machine (Post 60588825)
Listen man. I just asked you to list what you want Shero to do and all you can say is "sign Semin". Okay so he missed out on one "controversial" but really talented winger. That's all you've got. I'm fine with constructive criticism but all you seem to do is ***** but then don't have any solutions.

I didn't know Gagne could be had for a 4th round pick. I didn't know Ryder was actively being shopped. I'm sure there are dozens of players out there that are on the block that we don't know about. Do you want me to pick random players out there like a lot of people here even though I have no idea if they are even being shopped? What's the point?

Tasty Biscuits 02-27-2013 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Wingers (Post 60588627)
And why was it so obvious? Because our GM is too small minded to bring in any European players. Michalek had one off year and the dude gets traded for scraps.

It was a cap-dump to go after Parise/Suter, him or Martin. RS made the right choice.

Gallatin 02-27-2013 02:04 PM

"Lacking Wingers, We Lay Waste Our Powers"

You guys are probably never going to top "In The Time Before Wingers Came Into The World"

That one perfectly matched the mood of the Thread IMO ;-)

Crafton 02-27-2013 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gallatin (Post 60589243)
"Lacking Wingers, We Lay Waste Our Powers"

You guys are probably never going to top "In The Time Before Wingers Came Into The World"

That one perfectly matched the mood of the Thread IMO ;-)

i agree, that was the best one. there's no brain-trust, just me. but i'm happy to take suggestions, as i'm quickly running out of titles.

Gallatin 02-27-2013 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crafton (Post 60589365)
i agree, that was the best one. there's no brain-trust, just me. but i'm happy to take suggestions, as i'm quickly running out of titles.

Will keep that in mind Crafton, it's rare I get creative like that however....

Fire Shero* 02-27-2013 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasty Biscuits (Post 60589155)
It was a cap-dump to go after Parise/Suter, him or Martin. RS made the right choice.

There's nothing I can say that will change some of your minds. Teams could go above the cap in the summer. It seemed a little premature to give away michalek.

Suter came out and said he wanted to remain in the western conference and be close in proximity to Wisconsin. Last time I checked pittsburgh played in the eastern conference and they are plenty of teams closer to Wisconsin. They had no chance at signing him. If Shero thought otherwise he's dumber than I thought.

Shady Machine 02-27-2013 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Wingers (Post 60589145)
I didn't know Gagne could be had for a 4th round pick. I didn't know Ryder was actively being shopped. I'm sure there are dozens of players out there that are on the block that we don't know about. Do you want me to pick random players out there like a lot of people here even though I have no idea if they are even being shopped? What's the point?

Gagne was available to Philly for a 4th (plus he was being healthy scratched in LA and is definitely on the downhill of his career). My point is that you spend an awful lot of time criticizing Shero but don't seem to have any idea what you want him to do. I guess what I "want" is for you to either A.) give it a rest because you have said the same thing over and over again or B.) provide potential targets that you would like to see on the Pens.

Of course, this is a message board so if you want to continue to bash Shero for not signing Semin last July then fire away.

Shady Machine 02-27-2013 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Wingers (Post 60589509)
There's nothing I can say that will change some of your minds. Teams could go above the cap in the summer. It seemed a little premature to give away michalek.

Suter came out and said he wanted to remain in the western conference and be close in proximity to Wisconsin. Last time I checked pittsburgh played in the eastern conference and they are plenty of teams closer to Wisconsin. They had no chance at signing him. If Shero thought otherwise he's dumber than I thought.

I agree with you on Michalek. I really like him and thought he would have been a more valuable trade commodity. We could have waited until later in the summer to move him. That said, I think our D has been fine this year and young guys have gotten opportunities (Despres, Bortuzzo) that wouldn't have happened if we kept Michalek. So I can't be too upset there.

zero8771 02-27-2013 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Wingers (Post 60587873)
It must be nice to be Ray Shero. It seems no matter what he does or doesnt do fans will blindly defend him. Hindsight is 20/20! We don't have cap room to sign anyone respectable. Now Shero has cap room and he signs Tanner Glass.

I find it hard to believe Shero aggressively pursued Semin. He just doesn't seem like a disco type player being that he has skill and not a grinder.

If Shero didn't actively pursue Semin he should be reprimanded by Mario. You finally can address the lack of wingers and you pass. So instead of signing Semin you go into the season with Tangradi in the top 6. Anyone with half of a brain knew Tangradi is crap. He isn't even a guaranteed nhl player, let alone a top 6 solution.

Can you stop whining about Semin. We get it, you think he should have signed him. Every post you make on this forum is *****ing about our wingers (even your name), and half of them complain that we didnt sign Semin. Maybe Shero/DB just didn't want him. Get over it, it's done. Maybe post something constructive or at least whine about something NEW.

KIRK 02-27-2013 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crafton (Post 60587445)
thread title comes from William Wordsworth's famous sonnet, The World Is Too Much with Us.



KIRK should be especially pleased by a title which harnesses his 'two good wingers each for Sid and Geno' paradigm.

'Pleased' may be the wrong word, but the thread title's meaning is understood in this quarter. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcedCapp (Post 60587737)
I've HAD it with this mother ****in' winger threads on this mother ****in'
board!

(DO SOMETHING SHERO!)

Perhaps the time has come to moderate your caffeine intake?

Darth Vitale 02-27-2013 02:17 PM

Glad I was able to update a few of those statuses while the thread is still "young".

Jag68Sid87 02-27-2013 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leafspensfan (Post 60587585)
For some vets, what about:

Hejduk
Umberger
Ryan Smyth (Edmonton retains salary somehow)
Bertuzzi? (probably not)


Anyone that criticizes my choices or anyone else's choices, should probably give a reason why and provide their own choices, rather than looking like an overgrown, pompous *********.

Hejduk will retire an Av, probably after this season. He has had ample opportunities to leave and never has. I think retiring as an Av is important to him. For us, he's the shortest-term solution possible, so not ideal.

Umberger is too expensive for what he provides, which is a bigger Kunitz. Too much term left on his contract.

Smyth is basically Hejduk. Oh he's left Edmonton, but he never wanted to and went back with open arms and now will retire an Oiler. He's pretty much finished as a player, sadly, though.

Bertuzzi is always hurt these days, but even then Holland loves him and he'll likely retire a Wing. He doesn't solve much for us, because he quite literally never stays healthy for long.


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