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Canadian Gold X3 02-28-2013 12:11 PM

Vancouver Canucks-New York Islanders
 
To
:isles
D Keith Ballard
2013 2nd round pick
To
:nucks
D Lubomir Visnovsky
Maybe a low low level prospect?
Fair or not fair?
Feel free to critique! and offer creative criticism

ginner classic 02-28-2013 12:13 PM

The second round pick should be on the other side of that equation.

Islander Prophet 02-28-2013 12:14 PM

why would the Isles do this...?? Visnovsky is playing great for us now and we don't want to demote our defense, we want to improve it!

SLAPSHOT723 02-28-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streit Power (Post 60651417)
why would the Isles do this...?? Visnovsky is playing great for us now and we don't want to demote our defense, we want to improve it!

If we're out at the deadline, I do this easily.

SLAPSHOT723 02-28-2013 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ginner classic (Post 60651373)
The second round pick should be on the other side of that equation.

:laugh: Come on. I like Ballard but he's on a pretty bad contract and hasn't been performing well at all since arriving in Vancouver.

Actually, let me rephrase that. He's not playing like the Keith Ballard people saw in Florida, and not in a good way. That will take away a lot of his value.

Fraser Read 02-28-2013 12:17 PM

I really don't feel that Visnovsky is the answer to our problems on defence. Even if he is comfortable playing on the right side we should be targeting a right handed defenseman, especially if we are moving Ballard who has been great this year.

CREW99AW 02-28-2013 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Classless One (Post 60651291)
To
:isles
D Keith Ballard
2013 2nd round pick
To
:nucks
Lubomir Visnovsky

Fair or not fair?
Feel free to critique! and offer creative criticism

No thanks.

I'd rather have Vis for the pp then Ballard. Even if the Isles move Vis, I think Snow can bring back a late first. He likes moving around the draft board with those late 1st rounders/high 2nd rounders.

blankall 02-28-2013 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ginner classic (Post 60651373)
The second round pick should be on the other side of that equation.

No it really shouldn't.

The Canucks need to get out of Ballard's contract before September 2013. Visnovsky is also playing great since his return. Ballard, despite what Canucks fans are going off about, remains unable to produce offence and is playing third pairing minutes.

And I live in Vancouver, so yes I have seen Ballard play many many times. I'm not just going off stats. Visnovsky's value is a 2nd. Ballard's remains at zero.

YP44 02-28-2013 12:20 PM

seems more than fair considering he only cost a 2nd

kasper11 02-28-2013 12:21 PM

Does anyone really think that the Isles, who just traded for Tim Thomas' cap hit, are going to take a bigger salary on a smaller cap hit?

When Visnovsky is traded, it will be for picks/prospects/players making the league minimum.

Chardo 02-28-2013 12:21 PM

It's actually a good deal for the Isles, if you believe Ballard is a top-4 dman. Isles traded a 2nd to get Viz for one year. With this trade, they're getting back that pick plus Ballard. Net result would be like signing Ballard to a free agent deal for 2 years at 4.2M per.

CREW99AW 02-28-2013 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blankall (Post 60651677)
No it really shouldn't.

The Canucks need to get out of Ballard's contract before September 2013. Visnovsky is also playing great since his return. Ballard, despite what Canucks fans are going off about, remains unable to produce offence and is playing third pairing minutes.

And I live in Vancouver, so yes I have seen Ballard play many many times. I'm not just going off stats. Visnovsky's value is a 2nd. Ballard's remains at zero.

I disagree.

The press is telling us that several teams are looking for quality defensemen, but there's not much of a market.


You know it's a weak market, when teams kick the tires on bringing Sopel back from Europe.
Isles will imo, get better then a 2nd if they move Vis. Especially at the trade deadline, when we are most likely to get teams willing to overpay.

kasper11 02-28-2013 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chardo (Post 60651795)
It's actually a good deal for the Isles, if you believe Ballard is a top-4 dman. Isles traded a 2nd to get Viz for one year. With this trade, they're getting back that pick plus Ballard. Net result would be like signing Ballard to a free agent deal for 2 years at 4.2M per.

Not quite. They would also be trading a pick in the 31-40 range for one in the 51-60 range.

And I don't see the Isles being willing to give Ballard a deal at 4.2M. Would be the second biggest UFA signing for the Isles since Snow took over (Streit being the biggest at 4.5M).

Co Ho* 02-28-2013 12:24 PM

I think the kicker here is if Vis is happy in LI or not.
From all the signs leading up to this season, he really did not want to play for the Islanders. Yet you guys want to hold on to him?
Ballard has been playing very well this season, and could very well flourish as a top 4 dman (see Florida stats).

blankall 02-28-2013 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chardo (Post 60651795)
It's actually a good deal for the Isles, if you believe Ballard is a top-4 dman. Isles traded a 2nd to get Viz for one year. With this trade, they're getting back that pick plus Ballard. Net result would be like signing Ballard to a free agent deal for 2 years at 4.2M per.

Are the Isles looking to spend that kind of cash on a d-man? That would make Ballard their highest paid player. If Ballard is worth less than 4.2 million on the FA market, from the Isles perspective it gives Ballard negative value.

CREW99AW 02-28-2013 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chardo (Post 60651795)
It's actually a good deal for the Isles, if you believe Ballard is a top-4 dman. Isles traded a 2nd to get Viz for one year. With this trade, they're getting back that pick plus Ballard. Net result would be like signing Ballard to a free agent deal for 2 years at 4.2M per.

Ballard hasn't been a quality, top 4 d-man for several yrs.

Why would the isles believe he's a quality, top 4 d-man ? Those old tapes from his FL days?

goal1228 02-28-2013 12:25 PM

Viz will fetch a 2nd rounder ... maybe a late 1st depending on how much you Canucks want him

Chardo 02-28-2013 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kasper11 (Post 60651793)
Does anyone really think that the Isles, who just traded for Tim Thomas' cap hit, are going to take a bigger salary on a smaller cap hit?

When Visnovsky is traded, it will be for picks/prospects/players making the league minimum.


Ballard gets 4.2M for the next 2 years. Not a big cap hit.

Canadian Gold X3 02-28-2013 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goal1228 (Post 60651979)
Viz will fetch a 2nd rounder ... maybe a late 1st depending on how much you Canucks want him

Our 1st rounder will probably be in the 20-30 range. So maybe a 1st if there's a bidding war.

blankall 02-28-2013 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Co Ho (Post 60651919)
I think the kicker here is if Vis is happy in LI or not.
From all the signs leading up to this season, he really did not want to play for the Islanders. Yet you guys want to hold on to him?
Ballard has been playing very well this season, and could very well flourish as a top 4 dman (see Florida stats).

In Florida Ballard was putting up 34 points. He has a career high of 39 points. He has 1 pont this season in 19 games. His ice time is being cut down. You're asking a team to take a massive gamble by assuming he will regain his pre-Canuck form.

CREW99AW 02-28-2013 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Co Ho (Post 60651919)
I think the kicker here is if Vis is happy in LI or not.
From all the signs leading up to this season, he really did not want to play for the Islanders. Yet you guys want to hold on to him?
Ballard has been playing very well this season, and could very well flourish as a top 4 dman (see Florida stats).

Vis is settling in fine. I can't find the orginal Newsday link. That article was a little more indepth.

http://islanderspointblank.com/news/...n-long-island/
But even though he didn’t know anyone and was a few weeks late for the season, Visnovsky said that he was welcomed by the team.

“I talk to GM Garth Snow, and coaches, teammates and it was a big surprise to me how good everybody was to me,” he commented.

blankall 02-28-2013 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chardo (Post 60652025)
Ballard gets 4.2M for the next 2 years. Not a big cap hit.

The Isles like big cap hits. They don't like big salaries. 4.2 million would make Ballard the highest paid player on the team. Visnovsky has a cap hit of 5.6 million but is only getting paid 3 million. Visnovsky is the better player, and financially makes much much much more sense for the Isles.

Chardo 02-28-2013 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blankall (Post 60651945)
Are the Isles looking to spend that kind of cash on a d-man? That would make Ballard their highest paid player. If Ballard is worth less than 4.2 million on the FA market, from the Isles perspective it gives Ballard negative value.


I'll assume you meant highest paid d-man.

Isles will spend that kind of cash if they believe the player is worth it. They're paying Streit 4.1M.

Would Ballard be worth less than 4.2M for 2 years on the free agent market?

blankall 02-28-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chardo (Post 60652439)
I'll assume you meant highest paid d-man.

Isles will spend that kind of cash if they believe the player is worth it. They're paying Streit 4.1M.

Would Ballard be worth less than 4.2M for 2 years on the free agent market?

Tavares' salary is only 4 mil this season. DiPietro is no longer on the roster. Ballard would becomes their highest paid player.

And yes, I think Ballard would go for 2.5 million next year on the FA market at most. Especially with a lowered cap.

CREW99AW 02-28-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chardo (Post 60652439)
I'll assume you meant highest paid d-man.

Isles will spend that kind of cash if they believe the player is worth it. They're paying Streit 4.1M.

Would Ballard be worth less than 4.2M for 2 years on the free agent market?

If Ballard were about to become a ufa, after having spent the last few seasons on Vancouver's 3rd pairing, do you really think the isles would offer him $4.2m per, make him their highest paid defenseman?

I don't.


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