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Probie 02-28-2013 05:22 PM

Calgary signs Ryan O'Reillyto offer sheet $5mill per for two years (Avs match)
 
According to TSN's Darren Dreger, O'Reilly's contract is for two years, $10 million, 5mill cap hit. He gets a $1 million salary and $2.5 million signing bonus this season, and a $6.5 million salary next season.

Colorado has seven days to match Calgary's offer and retain O'Reilly, or receive Calgary's first- and third-round picks in the 2013 NHL Draft.

If the Avalanche match the offer, they cannot trade O'Reilly for a full year from that date.


I'm wondering, would our team be better if we gave up the same picks in the long run? I have a feeling he will be a slightly better flip. I know we need a top defensemen and a goalscorer to play with Datsyuk, but would it have helped? Perhaps we needed to fill those other two needs before thinking about this.

bgkennedy19 02-28-2013 05:22 PM

O'Reilly signed to offersheet by Flames
 
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417051

1st and a 3rd compensation.

Flames are a top 5-7 lottery pick for sure IMO. Tough call.

mindfly 02-28-2013 05:25 PM

Kenny, I'm looking at you
<_<

BazDaSpaz 02-28-2013 05:29 PM

The Qualifying offer of 6.5Million pretty much kills this deal for the Avs. They'd have to resign him at a minumum 0f %90 after that.

If I'm the Avs I let him walk. Take the picks in a deep draft pool. They can't afford to resign him, Stats, Varly, Douchene all at the same time. Bummer for the Avs, but the picks might work out well. Feaster's an idiot. The Flames won't be drafting untill the fourth round as of now if this deal goes through.

Heaton 02-28-2013 05:29 PM

Love to see offer sheets, let's see if this one works. But that is a ton of money for Ryan O'Reilly.

SoupNazi 02-28-2013 05:34 PM

Feaster looks really stupid giving up a sure-fire Top-10 pick for this.

This kills any speculation of them dumping guys like JBo, I'm guessing.

joe89 02-28-2013 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoupNazi (Post 60669711)
Feaster looks really stupid giving up a sure-fire Top-10 pick for this.

This kills any speculation of them dumping guys like JBo, I'm guessing.

O'reilly is worth more than a 10th overall pick imo. I would draw the line somewhere around top6.

FlashyG 02-28-2013 05:48 PM

It would be a first and a 3rd wouldn't it?

sepster 02-28-2013 05:50 PM

With Calgary's draft position, I take the picks all day long. This is supposed to be a deep draft, so finding a replacement shouldn't be too difficult. Plus, the kid has played 230ish games? Not even half a point per game? Calgary is paying for potential that he hasn't reached yet. Let them take the monetary risk and go draft a replacement. Plus, the 2nd year of the contract is $6.5 mil, that means the qualifying offer has to be at least that amount, at the end of next season mind you. That means Calgary pays him $3.5 mil for 30 games, $6.5 for 82 and then has to re-up him for at $6.5 after that. $10 mil for potentially 112 games worth of a 22 year old who scores a point every 2 to 3 games. No thank you.

It wouldn't be that huge of a risk for Colorado to let him walk.

icKx 02-28-2013 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BazDaSpaz (Post 60669345)
The Qualifying offer of 6.5Million pretty much kills this deal for the Avs. They'd have to resign him at a minumum 0f %90 after that.

If I'm the Avs I let him walk. Take the picks in a deep draft pool. They can't afford to resign him, Stats, Varly, Douchene all at the same time. Bummer for the Avs, but the picks might work out well. Feaster's an idiot. The Flames won't be drafting untill the fourth round as of now if this deal goes through.

Would the Avs even want to re-sign Stastny?

Looks like the Flames aren't going to be sellers.

last_sd 02-28-2013 05:54 PM

To be honest, the return is not the main issue for Avs.

If they were to match, they have to pay 9M+ for about 100 games. (2.5M signing bonus this year + 6.5M next year + portion of this year's salary)

Than they have to put in 6.5M QO or lose him as UFA.

They can't even trade him next deadline because of the 365 days rule and the trade deadline next year won't be as far back as this year.

Brick Top 02-28-2013 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe89 (Post 60670543)
O'reilly is worth more than a 10th overall pick imo. I would draw the line somewhere around top6.

I'm with you on ROR- he's a proven NHL talent (they are clearly banking on ROR continuing to improve, but his 55 point season last year was better than Flip in every year but last season for him). There's no guarantee that a Top 10 pick pans out, but this guy seems to be doing so already so the Flames get an impact player this season. I like the move for them.

Hendricks433 02-28-2013 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brick Top (Post 60671295)
I'm with you on ROR- he's a proven NHL talent (they are clearly banking on ROR continuing to improve, but his 55 point season last year was better than Flip in every year but last season for him). There's no guarantee that a Top 10 pick pans out, but this guy seems to be doing so already so the Flames get an impact player this season. I like the move for them.

Plus he is still way younger than Flip. 6.5 next year is pretty hefty though. Id take ROR over Flip any day with Datysuk and Z getting older.

Reality Check 02-28-2013 06:14 PM

People were complaining after giving up a 1st rounder for Kyle Quincey.

Seeing as this team is a 50/50 shot of even making the playoffs this years..no dice

Calgary continues to be the old Toronto where they continue to make foolish moves and delay the inevitable. They will miss the playoffs even with O'Reilly and potentially be a lotto team.

RedWinger10 02-28-2013 06:17 PM

I think Colorado is the winner in this deal by letting him walk. Deep pool, high picks gained, added cap. No brainier let him walk.

Probie 02-28-2013 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgkennedy19 (Post 60668841)
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417051

1st and a 3rd compensation.

Flames are a top 5-7 lottery pick for sure IMO. Tough call.

Flames are tied for 7th last with three teams, with ROR, they might improve a bit, they could draft anywhere from 7th-15th overall after acquiring him.

I'm thinking its not a bad move for the flames, you run the risk of losing a high pick and that player turning out well, but also that player could not live up to expectations. ROR is so young it really doesn't matter for the future if they were to select an 18yr old out of this draft, cause hes only 21 now. If he put up 50 point last year there is still room for improvement,he might be a 60 point player for his career. Calgary is guaranteed a certain performance that IMO is worth the risk of giving up a 1st and 3rd in their draft position. He is young enough to fit into a rebuild If they decide to go that route in the near future. Atleast Calgary has the balls to try to improve themselves, hint hint.

detredWINgs 02-28-2013 06:40 PM

People are totally underrating this as a move for Calgary. This automatically improves their special teams and gives them great scoring depth. Iggy, Tanguay, Cammy, Hudler, Glencross, Stajan, and O'Reilly, Cervenka, and Backlund all have room to improve. And JBo, Gio, and Wideman is a very serviceable veteran Top 3. O'Reilly is also a huge boost in that he's a natural two-way center who'll be given a long leash. I wouldn't be surprised if they dominate their last 10-15 games down the stretch and end up picking outside of the top 15.

In reality, this is a pretty good situation for both teams.

WingedWheel1987 02-28-2013 06:42 PM

Ballsy move by Calgary. First thing Feaster has done that i don't hate.

Bench 02-28-2013 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 60676591)
People are totally underrating this as a move for Calgary. This automatically improves their special teams and gives them great scoring depth. Iggy, Tanguay, Cammy, Hudler, Glencross, Stajan, and O'Reilly, Cervenka, and Backlund all have room to improve. And JBo, Gio, and Wideman is a very serviceable veteran Top 3. O'Reilly is also a huge boost in that he's a natural two-way center who'll be given a long leash. I wouldn't be surprised if they dominate their last 10-15 games down the stretch and end up picking outside of the top 15.

In reality, this is a pretty good situation for both teams.

Replace Kessel with ROR and Toronto with Calgary and this is exactly what Leaf fans said after that trade.

Granted I thought Toronto would finish higher, too, but boy that bombed for them. If this Calgary pick is top 5, watch out, we got a Kessel/Seguin situation on our hands.

joe89 02-28-2013 06:58 PM

A lot comes down to the health of Kiprusoff. Healthy Kipper, adding RoR, Iginla always heats up, yeah the Flames have a decent shot at the playoffs.

Run the Jewels 02-28-2013 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgkennedy19 (Post 60668841)
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417051

1st and a 3rd compensation.

Flames are a top 5-7 lottery pick for sure IMO. Tough call.

Yeah, if I'm the Avs I let him walk. They get their own very high draft pick and Calgary's. In an incredibly deep draft. I feel bad for the Flames' GM. He's probably getting eaten alive by the media every day of the hockey season. Kenny only has to deal with the HF Boards savants. :sarcasm:

CloneHakanPlease* 02-28-2013 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bench (Post 60677425)
Replace Kessel with ROR and Toronto with Calgary and this is exactly what Leaf fans said after that trade.

Granted I thought Toronto would finish higher, too, but boy that bombed for them. If this Calgary pick is top 5, watch out, we got a Kessel/Seguin situation on our hands.

Not really comparable in my opinion. Calgary isnt as bad and a 1+3 isnt nearly as brutal as consecutive firsts

The Zetterberg Era 02-28-2013 07:01 PM

ROR having to be qualified at 5.85 minimum makes this a very interesting move. If I am Colorado I don't match. They could wind up with Monohan anyway with Calgary's pick as this doesn't totally fix the Flames. Calgary has to be the most confusing team in the NHL, it is over, rebuild at least ROR can be a part of that, but giving away a top 10 pick in this draft is a bad move.

Big Poppa Puck 02-28-2013 07:16 PM

5m cap hit + a 1st and 3rd is drastic overpayment for O'Reilly.

This is why Calgary is never good yet never awful and have been stuck in purgatory for years.

If I'm Colorado I take the picks and call it a day.

detredWINgs 02-28-2013 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bench (Post 60677425)
Replace Kessel with ROR and Toronto with Calgary and this is exactly what Leaf fans said after that trade.

Granted I thought Toronto would finish higher, too, but boy that bombed for them. If this Calgary pick is top 5, watch out, we got a Kessel/Seguin situation on our hands.

Not sure how, when Toronto's top 3 that year were Kessel, Poni, and Stajan and their forward corps was devoid of leadership. By contrast, ROR is coming to a team that has 3 skilled, if aging, veterans ahead of him and plenty of secondary scoring to complement him. Not to mention he is a complete player AND a center, whereas Kessel offers ZERO help on defense and is perpetually among the leagues worst hitters.


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