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AvroArrow 03-02-2013 04:46 PM

Divison leader rule
 
Not sure if this was worth creating a thread over but noticing the standings, the division leader rule is absolutely ridiculous. The Pens are sitting in 2nd place with 26 points (tied with us) and Carolina in 3rd place with 21 points.

If you look at the standings by highest points vs lowest the Pens sit in 4th, Leafs 5th, Carolina barely in a playoff spot at 8th( tied with jets)

This rule makes no sense at all, giving teams that should be in 8th a top spot and home ice advantage. Anyone have a legit reason why this rule was made ? And if there's any league proposals on removing it ? Does the new conference proposal cover this at all ?

Rielly Good 03-02-2013 04:56 PM

It's brutal. But I'm so used to it that I barely even notice anymore.

Duffman955 03-02-2013 05:25 PM

Dumbest rule ever. Basically hands free playoff spot to weaker teams for no reason.

namttebih 03-02-2013 05:37 PM

What makes it worse is that they play most of thier games against teams in their own division.....the worst division.

King Mapes 03-02-2013 05:45 PM

A few years ago Caps made the playoffs on the last day but didnt finish 8th, they jumped to 3rd. Pretty odd going from 9th or 10th to 3rd on a single night at the end of a season

Crispy Crust 03-02-2013 05:47 PM

I don't have a problem with giving the division winner a playoff spot, but rank the overall conference based on points. That way, the Southeast division winner would most likely be the 7th or 8th seed in the East. The current format is stupid.

KesselLooksLikeRadar* 03-02-2013 05:49 PM

I'm honestly not going to complain IF we hold the 6th seed. This is easily the best of the bottom 4 seeds, so, I'll be happy if we can retain it

Duffman955 03-02-2013 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KesselLooksLikeRadar (Post 60812341)
I'm honestly not going to complain IF we hold the 6th seed. This is easily the best of the bottom 4 seeds, so, I'll be happy if we can retain it

For some reason, we never show up when we play CAR. Weird, because all SE division team suck balls and none deserve a playoff spot.

Pi 03-02-2013 05:58 PM

Carolina has three games in hand on us...the rule is fine. The SE division just sucks.

If Carolina wins their 3 games in hand they are ahead of us in the standings.

Duffman955 03-02-2013 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pi (Post 60812789)
Carolina has three games in hand on us...the rule is fine. The SE division just sucks.

If Carolina wins their 3 games in hand they are ahead of us in the standings.

They get free wins from playing the weakest division for about half their games.

Mess 03-02-2013 06:52 PM

According to presented/proposed realignment in the future there will be only 2 divisions in each conference so after this season this situation will no longer exist.

Shimso 03-02-2013 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by namttebih (Post 60811827)
What makes it worse is that they play most of thier games against teams in their own division.....the worst division.

Totally agree, its useless. The same thing happens in baseball where the Tigers get to beat up on **** teams and get a playoff spot while a team is a tougher division with 7 more wins doesn't make it in....


Look at 2012: Florida has 94(!) points (6th best in the East) and gets 3rd seed while teams with 108, 103 and 102 points are ranked behind Florida

Censored23 03-03-2013 01:27 AM

The only bonus is for whatever team finishes in 6th place.

Roboturner913 03-03-2013 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duffman955 (Post 60813607)
They get free wins from playing the weakest division for about half their games.

Except they are 1-5 in division games this year and are destroying everyone else. Which kind of kills the argument that they're inflating their record by feasting on crappy teams.

HellasLEAF 03-03-2013 03:06 AM

It's ridiculous. I used to ***** about this all the time (back in the day when we used to make the playoffs), but the NHL wants SE teams with a shot at the cup so..

either win the division or sit in the 4/5 spot and go through a through an always tough 1st round.

daner 03-03-2013 04:19 AM

SE division and playoffs is like when your parents told you to bring your younger sibling along to a party or something because they don't have anything to do. Kinda kills your buzz ya know.

Same deal.

And I love my siblings btw :P haha

legendinblue 03-03-2013 04:31 AM

It's an awful rule. :laugh:

KuleminFan41 03-03-2013 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crispy Crust (Post 60812267)
I don't have a problem with giving the division winner a playoff spot, but rank the overall conference based on points. That way, the Southeast division winner would most likely be the 7th or 8th seed in the East. The current format is stupid.

Very true. The format it self is a tad flawed but there wouldn't be issues if they did it purely based on points but division leaders hold a playoff spot.

Although, I think realignment changes this problem if it goes through doesn't it?

legendinblue 03-03-2013 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mess (Post 60816355)
According to presented/proposed realignment in the future there will be only 2 divisions in each conference so after this season this situation will no longer exist.

Next step: get rid of the loser point. :nod:

Pi 03-03-2013 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duffman955 (Post 60813607)
They get free wins from playing the weakest division for about half their games.

Last night was Carolina first win against the SE division. They lost 5 straight times before that :laugh:

All the teams in that division are terrible...one of the terrible teams get the #3 spot.

iceblue 03-03-2013 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legendinblue (Post 60848499)
Next step: get rid of the loser point. :nod:

I wish they would. It seems ridiculous that a team that has more actual wins but fewer points than another team due to lack of loser points is ranked lower. I know the NHL has that ROW tie breaker but it is just that- a tie breaker, so a team that thrives on loser points can still rank higher than one that gets more regulation and overtime wins. Crazy system.

Brymas McCaberle 03-03-2013 08:07 AM

Always thought that the rule was a heaping pile of BS.

More points, better standings. No questions asked.

Mansfield 03-03-2013 08:38 AM

what would be the point of divisions without this rule?

iceblue 03-03-2013 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mansfield (Post 60849385)
what would be the point of divisions without this rule?

Exactly. I think the divisions were designed to produce rivalries and increase fan bases. Other than that the divisions make no sense to me. I really get tired of seeing the Leafs play the same teams over and over again with little variation (and now the NHL has suggested the playoffs start out with those same teams... anyway my bias). I can see a need for teams from all the divisions making it to the playoffs, but not getting ranked 1,2,3

Personally I am in favor of the top 16 teams in the league getting in no matter which conference, division etc and starting there. Could produce some interesting match ups.

King Mapes 03-03-2013 08:56 AM

Who cares, it all changes next year..


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