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Fat Tony 03-03-2013 11:47 PM

Mike Gillis Discussion Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vcanuck (Post 60919401)
I hate AV as much as the next guy, but MG should go first before AV.

He's made some good moves and bad moves. I would only rate him as average among NHL GMs right now.

Tiranis 03-03-2013 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Tony (Post 60919811)
He's made some good moves and bad moves. I would only rate him as average among NHL GMs right now.

Seriously? He took a nothing team and made them into 2-time PT winners, SCF game 7 losers and an organization that free agents actually respect. He has improved the drafting by leaps and bounds compred to what we had in Nonis' time here. Despite their current play the team is more entertaining than it ever was under Nonis and the 10-11 team was one of the most entertaining NHL teams in the last decade or longer.

I think you're seriously overrating most GMs.

Fat Tony 03-04-2013 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiranis (Post 60919965)
Seriously? He took a nothing team and made them into 2-time PT winners, SCF game 7 losers and an organization that free agents actually respect. He has improved the drafting by leaps and bounds compred to what we had in Nonis' time here. Despite their current play the team is more entertaining than it ever was under Nonis and the 10-11 team was one of the most entertaining NHL teams in the last decade or longer.

I think you're seriously overrating most GMs.

Dale Tallon took a nothing team and won a Cup. I don't think highly of him either.

Gillis' missteps, imo:
  • Signing Luongo to that contract and then following it up by signing Schneider to his contract without resolving Luongo's status first.
  • Trading for Ballard.
  • Trading for Booth.
  • His comment re: Hodgson at the end of last season.

He's done some good things but the bad drops him back a few notches.

Other than BC boys, Hamhuis and Garrison, what big free agents has Gillis landed?

Tiranis 03-04-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Tony (Post 60920927)
Other than BC boys, Hamhuis and Garrison, what big free agents has Gillis landed?

Malhotra? Sundin? Demitra? More to the point, how many BC boys actually wanted to come back prior to him becoming a GM? Because Scott Niedermeyer and Paul Kariya certainly didn't, nor did Joe Sakic.

Canadian Gold X3 03-04-2013 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiranis (Post 60921023)
Malhotra? Sundin? Demitra? More to the point, how many BC boys actually wanted to come back prior to him becoming a GM? Because Scott Niedermeyer and Paul Kariya certainly didn't, nor did Joe Sakic.

I think they would've been if gillis was GM back then. Mark Reechi wanted to be a Canuck, from what I remember.

canuckster19 03-04-2013 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Tony (Post 60920927)
Dale Tallon took a nothing team and won a Cup. I don't think highly of him either.

Gillis' missteps, imo:
  • Signing Luongo to that contract and then following it up by signing Schneider to his contract without resolving Luongo's status first.
  • Trading for Ballard.
  • Trading for Booth.
  • His comment re: Hodgson at the end of last season.

He's done some good things but the bad drops him back a few notches.

Other than BC boys, Hamhuis and Garrison, what big free agents has Gillis landed?

Sedins on a last minute trip to Sweden, Mats Sundin.

Fat Tony 03-04-2013 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiranis (Post 60921023)
Malhotra? Sundin? Demitra? More to the point, how many BC boys actually wanted to come back prior to him becoming a GM? Because Scott Niedermeyer and Paul Kariya certainly didn't, nor did Joe Sakic.

Manny was a big part of the team up until his injury but I wouldn't call him a big fish. He was a third liner. The other two were on the downside of their careers (plus the ridiculous money thrown at Sundin hardly speaks to any skill on Gillis' part). When attracting FAs, the hometown connection is a significant lever. I think it's a reason why Parise and Suter signed with the Wild. I don't think Vancouver is a stand out destination for FAs.

Tiranis 03-04-2013 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Tony (Post 60921481)
Manny was a big part of the team up until his injury but I wouldn't call him a big fish. He was a third liner. The other two were on the downside of their careers. When attracting FAs, the hometown connection is a significant lever. I think it's a reason why Parise and Suter signed with the Wild. I don't think Vancouver is a stand out destination for FAs.

Yet it was never a consideration until Gillis arrived? Twilight or not, all of those players drew a lot of interest. Malhotra also drew a lot of interest despite being a 3rd liner because teams knew what he could do. Hell, he was considered for a Selke in his first season here. He was a fantastic player prior to his injury. Jordan Staal was probably the only 3rd line centre in the league that could compete with him.

Fat Tony 03-04-2013 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by canuckster19 (Post 60921293)
Sedins on a last minute trip to Sweden

They were not FAs.

Fat Tony 03-04-2013 12:33 AM

I should add Bernier getting an offer sheet to be another Gillis "oops".

NugentHopkinsfan 03-04-2013 12:33 AM

Gillis shouldn't get anymore credit for signing Hamhius than Nonis got for signing Mitchell. Malhotra is another Gillis blunder, he could've signed him the year before he did for under 1 million, probably would've helped against the Hawks more than Wellwood did.

Gillis sure gets a lot of credit for a guy that's made no core moves and no coaching changes in 5 years and has just rode along riding the core that was already here and moving around the depth pieces.

Look at our best two lines tonight:

Sedin Sedin Burrows

Hansen Raymond Higgins


ONE of those 6 players is a Gills addition. This is 5 years since he got here and all the guys producing were already here. Both goalies were already here, can't seem to win without Bieksa and he was here, Edler plays the big minutes he was here.

AV works with what Gillis gives him. Which are basically depth players and guys from Florida.

Crows* 03-04-2013 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Tony (Post 60921633)
I should add Bernier getting an offer sheet to be another Gillis "oops".

His offer sheet to backes wasn't an oops.

Tiranis 03-04-2013 12:36 AM

Anyway, I took this wildly off topic. This is the AV thread so we should probably discuss that.

Fat Tony 03-04-2013 12:48 AM

Mike Gillis discussion thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crows (Post 60921697)
His offer sheet to backes wasn't an oops.

Leaving himself open to a retaliatory OF was.

Crows* 03-04-2013 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Tony (Post 60922037)
Leaving himself open to a retaliatory OF was.

Who cares. I have no problem with teams going after players VIA offer sheet.

vanuck 03-04-2013 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RubberPucky (Post 60922099)
Fire him, and Gillis.

Vancouver is a team that is underachieving, and has been for the last 2 years (ever since they reached the Stanley Cup Finals, they started declining).

This whole Luongo/Schneider thing has gone on WAY too long, and it shows the incompetence of Gillis.

So he's just supposed to dump one of them for nothing?

jigsaw99 03-04-2013 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NugentHopkinsfan (Post 60921635)
Gillis shouldn't get anymore credit for signing Hamhius than Nonis got for signing Mitchell. Malhotra is another Gillis blunder, he could've signed him the year before he did for under 1 million, probably would've helped against the Hawks more than Wellwood did.

Gillis sure gets a lot of credit for a guy that's made no core moves and no coaching changes in 5 years and has just rode along riding the core that was already here and moving around the depth pieces.

Look at our best two lines tonight:

Sedin Sedin Burrows

Hansen Raymond Higgins


ONE of those 6 players is a Gills addition. This is 5 years since he got here and all the guys producing were already here. Both goalies were already here, can't seem to win without Bieksa and he was here, Edler plays the big minutes he was here.

AV works with what Gillis gives him. Which are basically depth players and guys from Florida.

yeah but look at our D

Edler Tanev*

Garrison* Hamhius*

Wizeman* 03-04-2013 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NugentHopkinsfan (Post 60921635)
Gillis shouldn't get anymore credit for signing Hamhius than Nonis got for signing Mitchell. Malhotra is another Gillis blunder, he could've signed him the year before he did for under 1 million, probably would've helped against the Hawks more than Wellwood did.

Gillis sure gets a lot of credit for a guy that's made no core moves and no coaching changes in 5 years and has just rode along riding the core that was already here and moving around the depth pieces.

Look at our best two lines tonight:

Sedin Sedin Burrows

Hansen Raymond Higgins


ONE of those 6 players is a Gills addition. This is 5 years since he got here and all the guys producing were already here. Both goalies were already here, can't seem to win without Bieksa and he was here, Edler plays the big minutes he was here.

AV works with what Gillis gives him. Which are basically depth players and guys from Florida.

Gillis good moves

-Signing Sundin

-re signing Kesler for 5 mil

re signing Burrows for 2 mil

signing hamhuis.

somehow scoring Erhoff from the sharks for virtually nothing

scoring Booth for nothing even though he hasnt really lived up to the hype

re signing edler for 5 mil

scoing Lappy and Higgins for virtually nothing.

trading hodgson for Kassian

Bad moves

Letting Sami Salo walk out when he clearly had a lot to offer still

Letting Willie Mitchell walk away , much to his chagrin

Letting Erhoff just walk out for nothing.

Not re signing Raymond and now has to pony up or lose him for nothing.

Almost letting the Sedins walk out, had to get on a plane and travel 14 hours to Sweden at the 11th hour . Had to go on bended knee with flowers to woo the Sedins back. He would have been FIRED if they became UFAs. What a disaster that would have been.

horrifying moves

Trading Grabner and a first round pick for a guy who is overpaid and not a top 4 defense man on your team. He may be a top 4 guy in florida, but not here. What a disaster for us and for Ballard . Hes wasted 3 years of his life on a team where there is no space for him.

And the granddaddy of all insane moves?

Singing Roberto Luongo to a 12 year 64 million dollar cap circumvention deal when he was already 31 years old. Its a move that is going to haunt us for the next decade. Regardless if we trade him we have to eat half his cap hit. :shakehead

Canadian Gold X3 03-04-2013 01:10 AM

Mike Gillis discussion thread
 
The AV thread is being overrun with MG discussions. Post MG discussion here.

CASUAL KEV 03-04-2013 01:12 AM

How was trading for Booth a good move? He's a 4.25M 4th liner. He has no hockey sense. Florida knew the writing was on the wall and just dumped him for expiring contracts.

He also offered Sundin 20M over 2 years which he thankfully declined and just took 1 year. Sundin was terrible in his time here and retired the next year. Can you imagine another year of 10M cap hit of worn out Sundin?

PG Canuck 03-04-2013 01:13 AM

Every GM has good and bad moves, and people get caught up in hindsight too much without looking at the actual situation around it at that time. For example, Mitchell and Salo. If we knew Mitchell was going to recover from that concussion, we would've re-signed him but there were question marks surrounding Mitchell.

Same as Sami and his injuries, and look, he's injured in Tampa right now as we speak. Salo is not worth what Tampa paid him, IMO and I think his numbers are a bit inflated from being on such a high scoring team in Tampa.

VeteranNetPresence 03-04-2013 01:17 AM

i cringe at the thought of him making more trades. he is absolutely awful in that respect

Fat Tony 03-04-2013 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Crows (Post 60922221)
Who cares. I have no problem with teams going after players VIA offer sheet.

I have no problems with what the Blues did. It's what Gillis did. He left Bernier on the backburner and got caught.

MAGICMAN1963 03-04-2013 01:19 AM

Can some one tell MG that there are other teams besides Florida he can make trades with.

Fat Tony 03-04-2013 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PG Canuck (Post 60922679)
Every GM has good and bad moves, and people get caught up in hindsight too much without looking at the actual situation around it at that time. For example, Mitchell and Salo.

He did the right thing with Mitchell and Salo (and Ehrhoff, for that matter). I hated the Ballard trade the second I heard it reported. Massive overpayment even if he performed exactly as advertised.


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