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Bruins4Ever 03-29-2005 03:28 PM

Ottawa/Columbus Trade
 
Nash

for

Hossa

Straight up. Nash gives Ottawa a gritty left winger, who's very young. Hossa gives Columbus somebody Zherdev can learn under. I'm not sure I'm close, but feel free to comment, I'm not trying to start a flame war here.

PredsFan77* 03-29-2005 03:47 PM

duck and cover

CREW99AW 03-29-2005 03:47 PM

Both are terrific talents but if I'm Columbus I want the younger,cheaper franchise player.

edited since the Preds can't trade Nash :D

HuskyFlames 03-29-2005 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CREW99AW
Both are terrific talents but if I'm Nashville I want the younger,cheaper franchise player.

AHAHA, wow.... reread the first post and then change your post :eek:

CREW99AW 03-29-2005 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick - Flames Fan
AHAHA, wow.... reread the first post and then change your post :eek:


Nashville :eek:

Quiet Robert 03-29-2005 04:00 PM

Any way we can work Havlat into this deal?

Seriously I don't see why either team does this deal. Both players are among the elite but the only advantage it gives Ott is that Nash is a LW. Having said that, I think this whole LW issue is being blown out of proportion. Let Havlat try it and see if it works out.

Other than the LW thing, there's no reason to make a deal like this imo. Although imo both players are somewhat close talent wise (personally I think Hossa is better) Nash's youth and cheaper price tag bring his trade value close.

Matty 03-29-2005 04:05 PM

There's a fundamental problem with all these Ottawa trade suggestions. It's not a quality issue as the offers generally have Ottawa giving something very valuable up (Hossa/Havlat etc.). The problem is that the other team isn't looking to deal the players that are in the proposal. Sure, Nash gives Ottawa a PF LW that they apparently want...but why does Columbus want to deal Nash? IMO, unless Ottawa offered a deal that Columbus simply could not refuse, there is no incentive for Columbus to deal Nash. Same with the Smyth proposals - unless the Oil got what they really want and need (a young #1 center), why would they deal their heart and soul? Ditto with the Morrow deals.

And why should Ottawa want to overpay? Especially when there are options that don't require them to overpay.

gretzky99 03-29-2005 04:29 PM

Personally, I would take Rick Nash >>>>>> Marian Hossa. Mostly because of age.

But anyway, Nash is Columbus' franchise player, while Hossa is not ottawa's. It is as simple as that.

cherry 03-29-2005 05:26 PM

Yeah, I definitely don't see this one happening. I'll be honest, I don't watch many Senators games - I pay more attention to the western conference - so I don't know much about the Sens side of things, but.....Nash is a fan favorite in Columbus. Plus, as others have said, he's younger & cheaper. Management is high on him as well. There'd have to be a lot more involved for Columbus to make this deal.

X0ssbar 03-29-2005 05:43 PM

I don't think Columbus deals Nash for anybody at this point. As many of you have pointed out, Nash carries a lot more value than just his on ice talent in Columbus - he is hockey in Columbus right now and he is the perfect cornerstone for this franchise to build around.

Darth Milbury 03-29-2005 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gretzky99
Personally, I would take Rick Nash >>>>>> Marian Hossa. Mostly because of age.

But anyway, Nash is Columbus' franchise player, while Hossa is not ottawa's. It is as simple as that.

Hossa is not Ottawa's franchise player simply because Ottawa is so deep. He'd be the "franchise" in Columbus and for half the teams in the league. As for Nash, if he was traded to Ottawa, he would not be the "franchise" there either.

gretzky99 03-29-2005 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Milbury
Hossa is not Ottawa's franchise player simply because Ottawa is so deep. He'd be the "franchise" in Columbus and for half the teams in the league. As for Nash, if he was traded to Ottawa, he would not be the "franchise" there either.

I believe that Hossa would be a weaker franchise player then Nash is in CBJ.

andora 03-29-2005 06:13 PM

because of age? or salary? because hossa is clearly the far better player all around

mytor4* 03-29-2005 06:18 PM

if you want hossa from ott it would take a lot more than nash. granted nash had a great yr but thats 1 yr . hossa is soon to be one of the best players in the league if he is not there allready

AG9NK35DT8* 03-29-2005 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruins4Ever
Nash

for

Hossa
.

Why ????????

Thats my question. A pointless thread. No offense

Pulfy14 03-29-2005 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gretzky99
Personally, I would take Rick Nash >>>>>> Marian Hossa. Mostly because of age.

But anyway, Nash is Columbus' franchise player, while Hossa is not ottawa's. It is as simple as that.

More like Rick Nash>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marian Hossa

andora 03-29-2005 06:52 PM

knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you ^^^

gretzky99 03-29-2005 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andora
knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you ^^^

I am really quite lost as to why some people believe Hossa is far better then Nash. There are definite arguements to be made that Nash is poor defensively and what not, however its hard to look around the fact that at age 20 Nash had 41 goals in the NHL. Marian Hossa on the other hand, is 26 years old, just in his prime. Considering that Hossa is around 2-4 years away from UFA, I think that Nash is far more attractive. And I believe that Nash will continue to improve, just as Hossa did.

Also, keep in mind that Hossa was only +4 on a 102 point team.

andora 03-29-2005 07:13 PM

don't confuse trade value with actual abilities of that player... if you bring trade value into it, it gets fuzzier i'll admit, especially with hossa getting up there at 26...

but clearly, as players right now hossa is a better player.. i am really quite lost at how anyone can not see that...

mercury 03-29-2005 07:16 PM

andora, props on the suggestive Matt Furey avatar. I always laugh when I see those pics. Looks like a gay lumberjack working out.

Quiet Robert 03-29-2005 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andora
don't confuse trade value with actual abilities of that player... if you bring trade value into it, it gets fuzzier i'll admit, especially with hossa getting up there at 26...

but clearly, as players right now hossa is a better player.. i am really quite lost at how anyone can not see that...

Exactly, people tend to confuse trade value with actual skill. Right now, imo Rick Nash's trade value might be slightly higher than Hossa's due to factors already discussed. (age, contract etc...) Also due to the fact that he's labeled a 'franchise' guy in Columbus. To me these things increase his trade value. However, make no mistake, Hossa is a superior player in almost every aspect of the game. He's not exactly that old, or expensive himself either.

gretzky99 03-29-2005 08:05 PM

I'm definitely not confusing the two. When in a thread suggesting a trade I think its safe to say we should be arguing about trade value. In a thread comparing two players, there actual abilities should be argued.

McDonald19 03-29-2005 08:15 PM

Columbus laughs and passes on the deal.

Why would they want to trade their franchise player?

Darth Milbury 03-29-2005 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andora
don't confuse trade value with actual abilities of that player... if you bring trade value into it, it gets fuzzier i'll admit, especially with hossa getting up there at 26...

but clearly, as players right now hossa is a better player.. i am really quite lost at how anyone can not see that...

It is a sad day in NHL economics when we refer to 26 year old players as "getting up there." :(

anguscertified 03-29-2005 08:48 PM

It's probably just me..but I would take Marian Hossa without regret over Rick Nash...


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