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Man Bear Pig 03-05-2013 11:39 PM

B.Richards to Toronto
 
I know some Rangers fans wouldn't mind dealing him. Would something around Grabovski+ make sense? Two struggling centers with bad contracts. Grabo would look good with Gaborik IMO.

oconnor9sean 03-05-2013 11:40 PM

Brad Richards said that he had no interest in going to Toronto when he was a UFA, why would he waive his NTC to go there now?

Dark Knight 03-05-2013 11:42 PM

He didn't say anything like that. Not that we want him now anyway. This is one contract New York will regret. But I've said that a number of times but Sather is just too lucky.

Man Bear Pig 03-06-2013 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oconnor9sean (Post 61077287)
Brad Richards said that he had no interest in going to Toronto when he was a UFA, why would he waive his NTC to go there now?

He's never said that to my knowledge.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 61077509)
He didn't say anything like that. Not that we want him now anyway. This is one contract New York will regret. But I've said that a number of times but Sather is just too lucky.

You wouldn't take your chances with Richards between Kessel and Lupul/JVR?

Dark Knight 03-06-2013 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man Bear Pig (Post 61079553)
He's never said that to my knowledge.


You wouldn't take your chances with Richards between Kessel and Lupul/JVR?

At that contract? No.

ChrisKreider20 03-06-2013 12:03 AM

NMC.
But honestly,
Grabovski, Kulemin, MacArthur

For

Richards, Boyle, 2nd

I'd be interested there...

WhalerTurnedBruin55 03-06-2013 12:06 AM

Don't do the Rangers contract favors. They already lucked out with Gomez (not saying Richards is on that level...), but yea. Let them live with their ridiculous contracts.

Man Bear Pig 03-06-2013 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 61079601)
At that contract? No.

Grabovski's isn't too pretty either.

ChrisKreider20 03-06-2013 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhalerTurnedBruin55 (Post 61079949)
Don't do the Rangers contract favors. They already lucked out with Gomez (not saying Richards is on that level...), but yea. Let them live with their ridiculous contracts.

We do have a buyout you know ;) - and through the magic of cable vision that contract will disappear upon his suckage

WhalerTurnedBruin55 03-06-2013 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GaBorat (Post 61080063)
We do have a buyout you know ;) - and through the magic of cable vision that contract will disappear upon his suckage

Redden doesn't already count?

ChrisKreider20 03-06-2013 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhalerTurnedBruin55 (Post 61080219)
Redden doesn't already count?

Each team gets two...

Rielly4 03-06-2013 12:34 AM

ya i would be down for that trade, although losing Mac would hurt i think this trade makes us better. Boyle is also a key piece to that deal.
I see these trades helping both teams, but i think Richards would be really good between Lupul and Kessel.

Dark Knight 03-06-2013 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man Bear Pig (Post 61080057)
Grabovski's isn't too pretty either.

Grabovski might be a million overpaid. But you can't fault the guy's effort every night. He gives it his all. Remember, he's a C who also suffers from not having a legit finisher on his line.

He's getting crap from fans now because of the contract he signed, but I firm faith that with a legit finisher on that line you'll see Grabovski's true worth.

Richards age and contract don't suit our team and direction.

Man Bear Pig 03-06-2013 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 61081619)
Grabovski might be a million overpaid. But you can't fault the guy's effort every night. He gives it his all. Remember, he's a C who also suffers from not having a legit finisher on his line.

He's getting crap from fans now because of the contract he signed, but I firm faith that with a legit finisher on that line you'll see Grabovski's true worth.

Richards age and contract don't suit our team and direction.

How many chances will the Leafs get at a legit first line center? There's nobody availabie in the foreseeable future. Getzlaf to Toronto is very slim. These guys are never on the market. Buy-low. I'm not hating on Grabo, I like the guy but Richards is an upgrade.

Jerkini 03-06-2013 12:45 AM

I'd have to wait to see how the Getzlaf situation plays out before making a move for a high dollar center like Richards.



Quote:

Originally Posted by GaBorat (Post 61079775)
NMC.
But honestly,
Grabovski, Kulemin, MacArthur

For

Richards, Boyle, 2nd

I'd be interested there...

Not entirely certain that would actually help the Leafs.

Bernier the Boats 03-06-2013 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaBorat (Post 61079775)
NMC.
But honestly,
Grabovski, Kulemin, MacArthur

For

Richards, Boyle, 2nd

I'd be interested there...

Done. We need a 1C, and shedding all that cap at the same time is a huge bonus. We could roll out:

JVR-Richards-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-Bozak-McClement
Orr-Boyle-McLaren

The pick ontop of it is just gravy for me.

We would even be able to offer Anaheim 1st 2013+Finn+Percy for Perry and still have the cap to give him a blank cheque.

kihei 03-06-2013 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man Bear Pig (Post 61081859)
How many chances will the Leafs get at a legit first line center? There's nobody availabie in the foreseeable future. Getzlaf to Toronto is very slim. These guys are never on the market. Buy-low. I'm not hating on Grabo, I like the guy but Richards is an upgrade.

I think we would be buying reputation, and ignoring present day reality. At 32 Richards' best years are behind him. Give Grabo a scoring winger, as Dark Knight suggests, and his production probably improves significantly. I know it's frustrating--you're right, #1 centres don't grow on trees--but this is the wrong guy at the wrong time.

Kershaw 03-06-2013 12:55 AM

He's not for sale this season.

Man Bear Pig 03-06-2013 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kihei (Post 61082205)
I think we would be buying reputation, and ignoring present day reality. At 32 Richards' best years are behind him. Give Grabo a scoring winger, as Dark Knight suggests, and his production probably improves significantly. I know it's frustrating--you're right, #1 centres don't grow on trees--but this is the wrong guy at the wrong time.

Over the two previous seasons seasons,prior to this one, Richards has 143 points in 154 games. That's not exactly 5 years ago. Grabovski is not a pass first, playmaking center. Had he been, he would have been put with Kessel years ago. I'm not sure the scoring winger argument holds up.

Dark Knight 03-06-2013 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBurke (Post 61082159)
Done. We need a 1C, and shedding all that cap at the same time is a huge bonus. We could roll out:

JVR-Richards-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-Bozak-McClement
Orr-Boyle-McLaren

The pick ontop of it is just gravy for me.

We would even be able to offer Anaheim 1st 2013+Finn+Percy for Perry and still have the cap to give him a blank cheque.

Oh God!

That's practically our secondary offense for a guy who is slumping crazy and is signed for a killer contract until he's washed up.

Pass. He can remain with his idol Torts.

Lundsanity30 03-06-2013 02:06 AM

Rangers aren't trading Richards PERIOD, because of the new CBA if he retired before his contract expires, WE are responsible for his cap hit. Rangers would buy out Richards AFTER next season or they will keep him because he's performing. Richards being traded simply won't happen, he will at least be a Ranger for a year and a half.

BROOKLYnKNIGHTS 03-06-2013 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man Bear Pig (Post 61077207)
I know some Rangers fans wouldn't mind dealing him. Would something around Grabovski+ make sense? Two struggling centers with bad contracts. Grabo would look good with Gaborik IMO.

NYR should deal Richards. He is expensive and looks disinterested. Im sure TOR can get him for a fair price.
I think he would look great in the Blue and White but I would force the Rangers to take salary back.

Boom Boom Geoffrion* 03-06-2013 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kershaw (Post 61082309)
He's not for sale this season.

Thank you. Someone gets it.

ChrisKreider20 03-06-2013 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BROOKLYnKNIGHTS (Post 61086133)
NYR should deal Richards. He is expensive and looks disinterested. Im sure TOR can get him for a fair price.
I think he would look great in the Blue and White but I would force the Rangers to take salary back.

While I suggested that deal, and I like it in terms of what it does with NYs secondary scoring, the cold hard fact is Richards has a NMC that I think the probability of him waiving is extremely low, Realistically, he will be kept until his play deteriorates to an unbearable level and then bought out using our 2nd compliance buyout.

After that trade though the Rangers are much deeper - with 3 scoring lines:

Hagelin-Grabovski-Gaborik
Kulemin-Stepan-Nash
MacArthur-Miller-Callahan
Powe-Halpern-Pyatt

therealkoho 03-06-2013 07:05 AM

Brad had his chance to play for the Buds, but he turned them away over a pittiable amount of money. Brad and Glen must live with their tragic decision whatever the results!


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