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Lemons 03-07-2013 09:47 PM

Edm - mon
 
HABS - Gionta, Weber


Edmonton - Hemsky, N. Schultz


All players could use a change of scenery?

OCPenguin 03-07-2013 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 61219523)
HABS - Gionta, Weber


Edmonton - Hemsky, N. Schultz


All players could use a change of scenery?

So, you want to trade a hurt Ales Hemsky to Montreal?

sansabri 03-07-2013 09:51 PM

we need more goalscorers, not playmakers ( and before any Oil fans comes in here to say that Hemsky has a bunch of goals this season, it doesn't matter. he's still a pass-first kind of guy. )

Schultz doesn't have much value for some time now. he used to be a pretty solid shutdown dman, but it's been downhill since Lemaire left Minnesota.

WeridAl 03-07-2013 10:19 PM

What is being offered wouldn't get you N.Schultz, ranks up there with the most ridiculous proposal.:laugh:

Wizeman* 03-07-2013 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 61219523)
HABS - Gionta, Weber


Edmonton - Hemsky, N. Schultz


All players could use a change of scenery?

Lets see where the Oilers are at once they complete their ritualistic QUICK TANK to get another first overall pick. :yo:

Once they secure Seth Jones then Tambellini, who will be given another RAISE , will consider trades.

But only if he can trade off talent for yet more picks and prospects.

MPStoEberletoHall 03-07-2013 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OCPenguin (Post 61219739)
So, you want to trade a hurt Ales Hemsky to Montreal?

It's bruised.....

OneSharpMarble 03-07-2013 10:32 PM

Habs want strong gritty players with a good defensive game, "Glassman" Hemsky doesn't fit that bill.

Teeder9 03-07-2013 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WeridAl (Post 61222319)
What is being offered wouldn't get you N.Schultz, ranks up there with the most ridiculous proposal.:laugh:

A character guy and a decent puck moving dman can`t get you a slow number six dman now. Who knew

WeridAl 03-07-2013 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Teeder9 (Post 61225629)
A character guy and a decent puck moving dman can`t get you a slow number six dman now. Who knew

Your not going to get anything with scraps and when did N.Schultz become a slow 6th D.

Joey McMoss 03-07-2013 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCPenguin (Post 61219739)
So, you want to trade a hurt Ales Hemsky to Montreal?

Ales Hemsky has a bruised foot and MIGHT miss a game only because it's a back to back.

Teeder9 03-07-2013 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeridAl (Post 61226379)
Your not going to get anything with scraps and when did N.Schultz become a slow 6th D.

When was he fast?

Frank the Tank 03-07-2013 11:38 PM

Gionta is a small forward that is only effective in a top-6 role. Yes, that is what the Oilers need more of on their team. :sarcasm:

Teeder9 03-07-2013 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank the Tank (Post 61227135)
Gionta is a small forward that is only effective in a top-6 role. Yes, that is what the Oilers need more of on their team. :sarcasm:

Actually, you need leadership and guys who know how to win. Brown was a decent start. Get rid of the passengers and while you're throwing sarcasm out, try and remember he's the captain of the top team in the East

Hugo Sham 03-08-2013 12:09 AM

no trade. doesn't fit anyone's needs.
gionta is smaller than hemsky, but plays
more of a north south game which is
what habs need

MrCraigAnderson 03-08-2013 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teeder9 (Post 61225629)
A character guy and a decent puck moving dman can`t get you a slow number six dman now. Who knew

Lol what? Nick Schultz is so much more than a slow number six. And even if he was its still better than Weber. The oilers don't need to downgrade their defense.

Teeder9 03-08-2013 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roooney (Post 61229305)
Lol what? Nick Schultz is so much more than a slow number six. And even if he was its still better than Weber. The oilers don't need to downgrade their defense.

Value wise it was Gionta and Weber, and that is more than enough to get Shultz. Is he slow? Yep. Is he better than a bottom pairing dman? On a bad team, yep, but he isn't anywhere near that on a good team. Is Weber a downgrade defensively? Yes. Offensively however, he is far better.

oilersrule14 03-08-2013 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teeder9 (Post 61229537)
Value wise it was Gionta and Weber, and that is more than enough to get Shultz. Is he slow? Yep. Is he better than a bottom pairing dman? On a bad team, yep, but he isn't anywhere near that on a good team. Is Weber a downgrade defensively? Yes. Offensively however, he is far better.

Yes, that is probably enough to get Schultz, so I'm not going to argue with that, I also agree that he'd be a bottom pairing dman on the good teams. But I have to correct you on the slow part, he is a mobile defenceman, there's no debating that. There's slow defenceman on the Oilers, Schultz is not one of them.

Anyhow, lack of size and downgrade defensively is the exact opposite the Oilers are looking for and judging by Montreal poster's comments, they aren't looking for playmaking forwards either, so this trade just does not make any sense, value aside.

BigDaddyLurch 03-08-2013 08:57 AM

Only player I see the Habs having interest in from Edm (besides the untouchable kids) is MPS and he'll cost.

Psycho Papa Joe 03-08-2013 09:12 AM

Lots of oil sniffing and Molson drinking going on in this thread. My two favourite teams, and the fans of them are completely off base in this thread.

Baloo007 03-08-2013 09:12 AM

To mtl
smyth + hemsky + eager


to edm
gionta + webber + moen + 2 nd + ?

BigDaddyLurch 03-08-2013 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baloo007 (Post 61238305)
To mtl
smyth + hemsky + eager


to edm
gionta + webber + moen + 2 nd + ?


Habs would get a good laugh...then say no.

Captain Smurf 03-08-2013 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baloo007 (Post 61238305)
To mtl
smyth + hemsky + eager


to edm
gionta + webber + moen + 2 nd + ?

Not a chance Montreal is dumb enough to do that.

WeridAl 03-08-2013 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baloo007 (Post 61238305)
To mtl
smyth + hemsky + eager


to edm
gionta + webber + moen + 2 nd + ?

How does this help the Oilers, some Hab fans must think Tambo is really stupid to consider a trade like this.

zeus3007* 03-08-2013 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teeder9 (Post 61225629)
A character guy and a decent puck moving dman can`t get you a slow number six dman now. Who knew

Nick Schultz is not a number six d-man. He's a good second pair guy, and Weber doesn't come close. We'd probably need Emelin instead if we're trading Schultz, but I get why Montreal doesn't do that.

Hemsky and Gionta are probably somewhat close in value, but it would be a lateral move, we don't need another small, speedy winger. If we trade Hemsky its for a #2 d-man or a big, physical winger.

Frank the Tank 03-08-2013 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teeder9 (Post 61227689)
Actually, you need leadership and guys who know how to win. Brown was a decent start. Get rid of the passengers and while you're throwing sarcasm out, try and remember he's the captain of the top team in the East

Gionta may be Papa Smurf, but he is still a smurf (and if he is as key to the Habs resurgence as you claim why are you trying to trade such leadership away?). The Oilers pass because they need to acquire a better asset than Gionta if they are trading Hemsky. A small top-6 forward is just not a good fit for the organizational needs right now.


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