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NHLFreak 03-10-2013 10:35 PM

Dan Carcillo - What gives?
 
Am I wrong to suggest hes struggling? When are we going to see the old Carcillo?
Will he ever get a shot back in the top 6?

Chris Hansen 03-10-2013 10:41 PM

He's a good fourth liner who (some) Hawks fans have deluded themselves into thinking is a capable option in the top-6.

He's not. Doesn't have the offensive awareness. Hard work and a grinding style isn't enough on its own.

Blue Liner 03-10-2013 10:43 PM

Yeah he's ok in the top six in spot duty but is not a permanent solution there by any means.

He was very noticeable in his first game or two back from injury but has struggled a bit since. Didn't have many minutes today.

Bubba88 03-11-2013 12:48 AM

nothing flashy but I don't get why he is in Qs doghouse...

Hawkaholic 03-11-2013 09:15 AM

He still needs a bunch of games to get back into it. You guys realize he has only played like 5 games in the last 1 1/2 years...right?

hockeydoug 03-11-2013 09:24 AM

He's not that good of a hockey player.
If he was, he would have seen a hell of a lot better of the 775k offer from the Hawks before the last extension.

Illinihockey 03-11-2013 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkaholic (Post 61432951)
He still needs a bunch of games to get back into it. You guys realize he has only played like 5 games in the last 1 1/2 years...right?

Right. He's still playing himself back into shape. That said, he doesn't belong in anyone's top 6, let alone a team as skilled as the Hawks. He doesn't have to be a goon, but he's a 4th liner.

Hawkaholic 03-11-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Illinihockey (Post 61433279)
Right. He's still playing himself back into shape. That said, he doesn't belong in anyone's top 6, let alone a team as skilled as the Hawks. He doesn't have to be a goon, but he's a 4th liner.

Never said he was a top 6-er. Anyone who thinks he is, is kidding themselves. He can spot fill, but not play a permanant role.

DayNah 03-11-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkaholic (Post 61432951)
He still needs a bunch of games to get back into it. You guys realize he has only played like 5 games in the last 1 1/2 years...right?

This, plus he's only playing 4-5 mins a game.

Blue Liner 03-11-2013 11:52 AM

The thing with the four to five minutes a game issue kind of a chicken or the egg kind of thing. Is he having a hard time getting back into it because he's only playing four or five minutes a game or is he only playing four or five minutes again because in the coaching staff's view he's not getting it done? I recall him playing more regular minutes the first few games he came back.

Cullksinikers 03-11-2013 11:53 AM

He needs a bigger sample size/role with this team if fans want to have the right to judge him, IMO.

HockeySensible 03-11-2013 04:04 PM

Quality bottom-6 forward that can jump up in the top-6 from time-to-time. He's barely played over the past couple years, he'll be fine.

massivegoonery 03-11-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cullksinikers (Post 61439409)
He needs a bigger sample size/role with this team if fans want to have the right to judge him, IMO.

So every random grinder in the world needs to play a thousand minutes in an indianhead sweater before we can call him a random grinder?

Any Colour You Like 03-11-2013 08:14 PM

Carcillo just scored, so knowing him he'll play like paste for about 8 games.

UsernameWasTaken 03-11-2013 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cullksinikers (Post 61439409)
He needs a bigger sample size/role with this team if fans want to have the right to judge him, IMO.

We have enough information to judge him.

HawksFan74 03-11-2013 09:53 PM

Hawks looked a bit tired in the last couple games, I'm surprised his minutes have been so low but whatever.

Marotte Marauder 03-12-2013 08:05 AM

His absence last year caused the tailspin, don't forget. :shakehead

IU Hawks fan 03-12-2013 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cullksinikers (Post 61439409)
He needs a bigger sample size/role with this team if fans want to have the right to judge him, IMO.

Yeah, 321 games isn't a large enough sample.



:laugh:

RayFIN 03-12-2013 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by IU Hawks fan (Post 61489719)
Yeah, 321 games isn't a large enough sample.



:laugh:

He said with this team. He only has 39 games under his belt as a Hawk. I don't think he's even remotely the same player here as he was in Philly. Unfortunately, I also think that last knee injury may have set him back a full year.

I'm not ready to judge a guys career as a Hawks who has only played 39 games, and has been significantly injured. At 825K for this year and next year, I have no issue with keeping him along. I think he can be useful to this team if that knee ever gets back to 100%.

Chris Hansen 03-12-2013 10:27 AM

Carcillo is the same player he was in Philadelphia, aside from that he's reigned himself in in Chicago - definitely plays with more caution now, which is a good thing. But as far as everything else? Same player. There's no need to wait to judge him. He's a grinder who belongs in the bottom-6, can hit and agitate, score a little bit... that's Carcillo.

MTP 03-12-2013 10:35 AM

He's a fourth liner who can score every now and then and eat up top 6 minutes in a pinch, nothing more than that. I'm looking forward to seeing how he plays for us in the playoffs though, he could have been a factor in the Phoenix series last year had he been healthy.

IU Hawks fan 03-12-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RayP (Post 61490443)
He said with this team. He only has 39 games under his belt as a Hawk. I don't think he's even remotely the same player here as he was in Philly. Unfortunately, I also think that last knee injury may have set him back a full year.

He's pretty much the same player, an above average bottom 6er who can be a below average top 6er when necessary.

RayFIN 03-12-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by IU Hawks fan (Post 61496691)
He's pretty much the same player, an above average bottom 6er who can be a below average top 6er when necessary.

I don't think he's as dirty, doesn't visit the box nearly as much, and has shown he can get under the skin and draw some PPs. I do wish he'd just be buried on the 4th line and never see top 6 action, though.

Cullksinikers 03-12-2013 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by massivegoonery (Post 61466817)
So every random grinder in the world needs to play a thousand minutes in an indianhead sweater before we can call him a random grinder?

Quote:

Originally Posted by UsernameWasTaken (Post 61469751)
We have enough information to judge him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IU Hawks fan (Post 61489719)
Yeah, 321 games isn't a large enough sample.


:laugh:

What I'm saying is that you can't judge a guy's performance on three to four minutes of action. It's like what Blue Liner said: Carcillo is either not good enough to warrant good minutes or the coach is making a mistake not playing him enough minutes.

I think Carcillo is a good extra forward and decent bottom-six player. He's nothing spectacular but respectable.

Blue Liner 03-12-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cullksinikers (Post 61500899)
What I'm saying is that you can't judge a guy's performance on three to four minutes of action. It's like what Blue Liner said: Carcillo is either not good enough to warrant good minutes or the coach is making a mistake not playing him enough minutes.

I think Carcillo is a good extra forward and decent bottom-six player. He's nothing spectacular but respectable.

Yes, but I also know what Carcillo is. That wasn't being debated.


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