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LBCANUCK 03-11-2013 01:31 PM

Philadelphia and Vancouver
 
Ok so I know this is going to get flamed but I think it addresses both teams needs. I mean there are a few things that would prevent such trade being as Kesler is injured. Briere is more of a rental and we would need to get rid of some cap next year to make this happen. Do you think the value is way off?

Flyers

Sean Couturier
Daniel Briere
1st

for

Canucks

Ryan Kesler
Cory Scheider

Prongo 03-11-2013 01:34 PM

We have to keep the Flyers 1st rounder out of any deals people. The team is extremely inconsistent, and has a 14% chance of making the playoffs. Also no to trading Couts. If you want Briere give us your first and we call it a day.

LBCANUCK 03-11-2013 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prongo (Post 61444779)
We have to keep the Flyers 1st rounder out of any deals people. The team is extremely inconsistent, and has a 14% chance of making the playoffs. Also no to trading Couts. If you want Briere give us your first and we call it a day.

Well we wouldnt be able to fit him under the cap this year and especially not next. I would do it for luongo straight up at this point if you feel like buying out bryz haha

Prongo 03-11-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LBCANUCK (Post 61444835)
Well we wouldnt be able to fit him under the cap this year and especially not next. I would do it for luongo straight up at this point if you feel like buying out bryz haha

Flyers don't need a goalie with the contract Luongo has. We need a young cheap goalie who can become the starter here. No thank you.

professorchaos 03-11-2013 01:41 PM

Please fill in the blank: Edler + 1st + Schroeder gets us Coburn + ?????? .

PALE PWNR 03-11-2013 01:44 PM

I don't see why the Canucks would do that, Kesler is like what the Couturier fans hope Couturier becomes. It doesn't really solve the problem for us though of not having a #1 D but this would be a hard proposal to turn down if the Flyers had intentions to buy out Bryz

WeekendAtBernies 03-11-2013 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBCANUCK (Post 61444645)
Ok so I know this is going to get flamed but I think it addresses both teams needs. I mean there are a few things that would prevent such trade being as Kesler is injured. Briere is more of a rental and we would need to get rid of some cap next year to make this happen. Do you think the value is way off?

Flyers

Sean Couturier
Daniel Briere
1st

for

Canucks

Ryan Kesler
Cory Scheider

The Flyers are incredibly strong down the middle, we have no need for Ryan Kesler and I certainly wouldn't want to pay the price you outlined here to get him. And we have no desire to trade our 1st round pick.

Also, if you want Couturier, we would like/need Edler coming back.

A fairly simple trade that might improve both teams would be Briere + 2nd for Schneider.

Beyond that, a bigger trade around Coburn, Couturier, Edler, and Schneider might work.

WeekendAtBernies 03-11-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by professorchaos (Post 61445121)
Please fill in the blank: Edler + 1st + Schroeder gets us Coburn + ?????? .

Replace the "1st + Schroeder" with "Schneider" and it gets you "Coburn + Couturier +"

Given the Flyers' depth at Center, I don't find Schroeder interesting @ all and the Nucks late 1st isn't enough to make me want to add Couturier. However, if you're solving the Flyers' two biggest problems, a puck-moving #1 defenseman (Edler) and an upper echelon young goalie on a medium-length contract with a good cap hit (Schneider), I'd definitely be willing to add Couturier and more.

professorchaos 03-11-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WeekendAtBernies (Post 61445643)
Replace the "1st + Schroeder" with "Schneider" and it gets you "Coburn + Couturier +"

Given the Flyers' depth at Center, I don't find Schroeder interesting @ all and the Nucks late 1st isn't enough to make me want to add Couturier. However, if you're solving the Flyers' two biggest problems, a puck-moving #1 defenseman (Edler) and an upper echelon young goalie on a medium-length contract with a good cap hit (Schneider), I'd definitely be willing to add Couturier and more.

I was looking for more of a Talbot + Read or Laughton type deal (I would be willing to switch Shredder with a different prospect) but your offer is hard to say no to, as much as I like Schneider.

CS 03-11-2013 03:29 PM

Flipping Couturier for Kesler makes zero sense for the Flyers all things considered. Even if it was straight up, it's really a pointless trade from a Philadelphia standpoint.

If anything, we're looking to trade a defensive center like Laughton for blueline help.

flyersguy33* 03-11-2013 03:46 PM

make the 1st a 2nd and you got yourself a deal. buyout that $5.7 million mistake and go from there

Bgav 03-11-2013 04:06 PM

no way

Pip 03-11-2013 04:19 PM

the only thing that truly interests me is something around Edler and Couturier

CS 03-11-2013 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by live playoff hockey (Post 61453445)
the only thing that truly interests me is something around Edler and Couturier

I don't get it. Didn't you guys just sign Edler?

Why do you want to move him for Couturier?

It makes me suspicious. Honestly, to the point where I'm not considering Couturier for Edler without an explanation. Laughton's available.

Momesso 03-11-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Shafer (Post 61453599)
I don't get it. Didn't you guys just sign Edler?

Why do you want to move him for Couturier?

It makes me suspicious. Honestly, to the point where I'm not considering Couturier for Edler without an explanation. Laughton's available.

Edler won't be dealt. He just took a discount to sign long-term.

He plays the toughest minutes on the team (along with Hamhuis, though not usually on the same pairing) and is just currently struggling.

The team has quit on AV (see recent comments by Sedin and Booth) and Edler has been a recent scapegoat.

blankall 03-11-2013 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Shafer (Post 61453599)
I don't get it. Didn't you guys just sign Edler?

Why do you want to move him for Couturier?

It makes me suspicious. Honestly, to the point where I'm not considering Couturier for Edler without an explanation. Laughton's available.

He's become a goat for the Canucks fan base.

The Canucks are having trouble scoring this year. Without Edler's offence, they will be in trouble.

Pip 03-11-2013 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Shafer (Post 61453599)
I don't get it. Didn't you guys just sign Edler?

Why do you want to move him for Couturier?

It makes me suspicious. Honestly, to the point where I'm not considering Couturier for Edler without an explanation. Laughton's available.

we have 5 defenseman being paid as top 4 guys, Edler is our second best, but also holds the most that could be traded to upgrade a much needed position. Also he is tradable until next year (Hamhuis and Bieksa and I'm pretty sure Garrison as well already have NTCs). Ballard would be the obvious choice to go, but he holds little value and although we are downgrading by theoretically replacing Edler for Ballard, you must realize how important having a centre like Couts would be to us. Also I am confident Tanev can make the jump into a full time top 4 position.

As of right now our centre depth is Henrik Sedin, Andrew Ebbett, Max Lapierre with one of our wingers coming in. We need someone who can play tough minutes and not thrust that upon an often injured Kesler as soon as he comes back. Although this deal is fairly unrealistic, this would be my deal for the Flyers, and I swear not an overreaction to his recent play (I have advocated for something like this for a while).

Pip 03-11-2013 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blankall (Post 61453965)
He's become a goat for the Canucks fan base.

The Canucks are having trouble scoring this year. Without Edler's offence, they will be in trouble.

He has recently been a goat, but this deal is not because of Edler's recent struggles (that I am confident he can overcome) but rather trying to capatalize on an oppertunity to to improve our abysmal centre depth and as an aside, we are getting quite a bit of offense from Hamhuis and Bieksa this year.

palindrom 03-11-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prongo (Post 61444939)
Flyers don't need a goalie with the contract Luongo has. We need a young cheap goalie who can become the starter here. No thank you.

someone like Bobrovsky?

Vankiller Whale 03-11-2013 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by live playoff hockey (Post 61453445)
the only thing that truly interests me is something around Edler and Couturier

Edler >> Couturier and until something drastic changes there's absolutely no reason for us to do that.

PropJoe 03-11-2013 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Shafer (Post 61450839)
Flipping Couturier for Kesler makes zero sense for the Flyers all things considered. Even if it was straight up, it's really a pointless trade from a Philadelphia standpoint.

If anything, we're looking to trade a defensive center like Laughton for blueline help.

The point is you're getting the much better player. Man people overvalue Couturier. It's ridiculous.

DrDangles 03-11-2013 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Shafer (Post 61450839)
Flipping Couturier for Kesler makes zero sense for the Flyers all things considered. Even if it was straight up, it's really a pointless trade from a Philadelphia standpoint.

If anything, we're looking to trade a defensive center like Laughton for blueline help.

I don't understand this logic. Isn't Kesler the player you want Couturier to be when he grows up? For a team like Philly trying to compete, cutting years of development seems like a no-brainer. Not saying Vancouver would even consider a straight swap, just questioning your logic.

palindrom 03-11-2013 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PropJoe (Post 61456307)
The point is you're getting the much better player. Man people overvalue Couturier. It's ridiculous.

Current skill is just one variable in the equation to find a player value.

Better player doesn't necessary mean greater value.

palindrom 03-11-2013 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDangles (Post 61458647)
I don't understand this logic. Isn't Kesler the player you want Couturier to be when he grows up? For a team like Philly trying to compete, cutting years of development seems like a no-brainer. Not saying Vancouver would even consider a straight swap, just questioning your logic.

I would rather have a young Couturier growing up as a Kesler on my team, than a older Kesler declining to a nowhere the player he once was.

and for a team trying to compete now, i would rather have a player who can play now than an injured player out of the lineup.

professorchaos 03-11-2013 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Shafer (Post 61450839)
Flipping Couturier for Kesler makes zero sense for the Flyers all things considered. Even if it was straight up, it's really a pointless trade from a Philadelphia standpoint.

If anything, we're looking to trade a defensive center like Laughton for blueline help.

How about Edler + 3rd for Coburn + Laughton?


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