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SiCKNESS 03-11-2013 03:31 PM

Oldest Core/Team In Worst Condition for the Future?
 
SJ, VAN are the main ones that come to mind...

BonMorrison 03-11-2013 03:32 PM

I'm gonna say San Jose. They're not super-old but their prospect pool isn't very hot.

PeterForsberg 03-11-2013 03:36 PM

San Jose & Detroit. Calgary is up there too.

habs03 03-11-2013 03:37 PM

Flames?

I don't even kno if they even have a "core" but Iggy and Kipper are up there in age.

Wingsfan2965* 03-11-2013 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterForsberg (Post 61451219)
San Jose & Detroit. Calgary is up there too.

Prospect pool says hi.

Devonator 03-11-2013 03:43 PM

This is a no brainer...Calgary by a mile....horrible now...and horrible future!

ChibiPooky 03-11-2013 03:44 PM

Washington. Core isn't old, but appears to be rotten. Prospect pool is shallow and their best prospect hasn't crossed the pond yet.

UsernameWasTaken 03-11-2013 03:44 PM

Calgary and Vancouver.

Detroit looks bad, too.

habs03 03-11-2013 03:45 PM

Flames?

I don't even kno if they even have a "core" but Iggy and Kipper are up there in age.

bruinsfan46 03-11-2013 03:48 PM

I pretty much agree with everything said so far. Vancouver and San Jose would be the main ones for me. Next tier would be Calgary and Detroit (although they do have a pretty solid prospect pool, but you still never know with prospects), don't necessarily agree with Washington but something might need to change within the organization. I'll throw New Jersey into the mix, far from young without a loaded prospect pool.

TheHudlinator 03-11-2013 03:49 PM

Calgary has the oldest core maybe in the league (as it is only Iginla and Kipper :laugh:) and have a bottom 15 prospect pool.

flyin_finn 03-11-2013 03:49 PM

Devils.

Their both goalies are middle-aged, the leading scorer is 36 (Elias) and their top-3 defenseman (Salvador, Greene & Zidlicky) average age bit over 34 years.

Although they will likely continue pulling it off, thanks to their system...

Trap Jesus 03-11-2013 03:51 PM

It's been Calgary for a while now.

TheStroker 03-11-2013 03:52 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but the Flames are #1.

Wingsfan2965* 03-11-2013 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChibiPooky (Post 61451587)
Washington. Core isn't old, but appears to be rotten. Prospect pool is shallow and their best prospect hasn't crossed the pond yet.

Not rotten, just a massive lack of good leadership from top to bottom.

And with Kuznetsov and Forsberg in their system that makes them infinitely better than San Jose or Calgary.

As for the people saying Detroit, try looking at their prospect pool. Not even close.

P U L L H A R D 03-11-2013 04:03 PM

If Holland keeps favouring vets with established ceilings that aren't very high over kids that could boom given the right opportunity, Detroit's future may be bleak. Gotta hope they start giving the kids a shot a bit sooner.

HankieDankie 03-11-2013 04:15 PM

Canucks need some top end offensive prospects to help once the Sedins decline/retire. We have some top 6 hopefuls like Jensen, Kassian and Gaunce, but those guys are most likely 2nd line players. Defensively, we look pretty good, and in net we are set with Schneider and Lack. It's just first line talent that is nowhere to be found in the Canucks system.

derriko 03-11-2013 04:18 PM

I don't think Vancouver is in the same tier as SJ and Calgary.

I also don't think Detroit is in that bad of a situation, though I do find their prospect pool very overrated.

DevilChuk* 03-11-2013 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyin_finn (Post 61451879)
Devils.

Their both goalies are middle-aged, the leading scorer is 36 (Elias) and their top-3 defenseman (Salvador, Greene & Zidlicky) average age bit over 34 years.

Although they will likely continue pulling it off, thanks to their system...

Certainly not our top 3 defensemen...

Greene is 30.
Fayne is 25.
Larsson is 20.

That's our top 3. Who plays on any given night may not reflect that, but that's mostly because of the salary tied up in those other players and the situations they are used in (Zidlicky won't be scratched because he plays PP, etc.).

The problem with the Devils long-term will most certainly not be on the blue-line. They look great there, tons of prospects that are NHL-ready. Issue will be a lack of forward prospects and then hoping that one of our goalie prospects pan out.

Analyzer 03-11-2013 04:32 PM

I posted in another thread, but I was shocked that Calgary only has 1 pick from 2005 till now to play more than 100 games. Mikael Backlund who isn't anything to write home about. He should be a consistent NHLer.

Keith Aulie is the other good one with games under his belt, but with Toronto and Tampa.

DL44 03-11-2013 04:35 PM

Showed a stat during the last LA-Cal game...

LA is the youngest in the league (was not aware of that-maybe it was just the active roster playing)... Calgary is the oldest, with an average age over 30.0 yrs.

So has to be Calgary.



At least Vancouver has - Edler, Tanev, Kassian, Hansen, Schneider at 26 and under.
Over the next 2-4 yrs they have prime aged (27-28) players in Kesler, Booth, Raymond, and Garrison).

In terms of being set up for the future... Van's ability to attract UFA's give them an advantage over many other teams.

But if you are assuming if all teams moving forward had their current rosters frozen and had to move forward 4-5 yrs with only the assets they presently have... then yeah.. Vancouver is probably in the conversation.

Under those conditions, add Detroit.

TylerSVT* 03-11-2013 04:36 PM

San Jose and Vancouver are not even Close to Calgary.

Calgary has Iginla and Kipper right now... and then not a single player who is a top line guy, not even their prospects (Beartchi) are doing great this year.

San Jose can still win Games, and Vancouver still has some good young guys in Kesler, Edler, Kassian etc. Calgary has none of that. In fact you can look at Coulture and Pavelski and say the Flames dont even have guys close to that level.

Its pretty pathetic being a Flames fan right now. Going to be a LONG rebuild.

905tech 03-11-2013 04:36 PM

Flames are terrible AND old! At lease San Jose is going to make the playoffs.

They need to get some youth or at least get some draft picks.
Montreal has their 2nd rounder this year.

99 steps 03-11-2013 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wingsfan2965 (Post 61451449)
Prospect pool says hi.

We've been hearing about that for a while now from Wings fans...

Pierce Hawthorne 03-11-2013 04:37 PM

Wings, Sharks, Flames, and Nucks were the ones that came to my mind.

Sharks and Flames particularly. Wings have 3-4 good prospects but they are only prospects, only Nyquist seems like a sure fire Top 6 guy.

EDIT: New Jersey to an extent as well. Thought they do have a few good young pieces too.


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