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IU Hawks fan 03-12-2013 02:27 PM

Player Usage Chart
 
http://thecommittedindian.com/

http://thecommittedindian.com/wp-con...hicagoMar9.jpg

Players with a red circle have been on the ice for more shots against, while blue circles have been out for more shots for. The larger the circle, the greater the number of shots for/against.

What we can take from this:
- Rosival is miles better than Brookbank
- The Shaw line is far from being a traditional 3rd line checking line, as anyone watching could tell you. They're the energy line and Q is protecting who play against IE: they dominate lines worse than their own, as we've seen
- Keith/Seabrook is effectively the 2nd pair. Oduya/Hammer play better competition and still are more effective in not allowing shots.
- Sharp/Kane obviously need a center to play with
- Saad-Toews-Hossa obviously kick ass
- Carcillo has actually been pretty worthless, hence the 4' he's down to

digdug41982 03-12-2013 02:31 PM

Also, Bolland gets the most difficult competition, so people should cut him some slack.

IU Hawks fan 03-12-2013 02:33 PM

Yeah, essentially Bolland's line is still the checking line. Eventually, you get Sharp/Kane a center, make Kruger-Bolland-Frolik the shutdown line, and then you have the Shaw line as the best 4th in the game.

Illinihockey 03-12-2013 02:34 PM

Is this just 5 on 5? If not, it gets skewed by PK/PP

rick hawk 03-12-2013 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldsteelonice84 (Post 61503725)
Also, Bolland gets the most difficult competition, so people should cut him some slack.


Bingo!!!!

Sevanston 03-12-2013 02:53 PM

Kruger starts less than 35% of his shifts in the offensive zone. Still has 10 points and a positive shot differential.

Gotta love that.

zytz 03-12-2013 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sevanston (Post 61504999)
Kruger starts less than 35% of his shifts in the offensive zone. Still has 10 points and a positive shot differential.

Gotta love that.

Yeah right, dudes a scrub. Too small, too weak, doesn't win face offs. Get out of here with your empirical evidence and watch him get steamrolled in the games, man.


:sarcasm:

Ace Rothstein 03-12-2013 03:05 PM

Keith's and Seabrook's numbers are skewed since neither can hit the damn net on their own shots toward goal.

Sevanston 03-12-2013 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace Rothstein (Post 61505591)
Keith's and Seabrook's numbers are skewed since neither can hit the damn net on their own shots toward goal.

Assuming this is using Corsi or Fenwick, all shot attempts count, regardless of whether or not they reach the net.

Ace Rothstein 03-12-2013 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sevanston (Post 61505961)
Assuming this is using Corsi or Fenwick, all shot attempts count, regardless of whether or not they reach the net.

I was joking but that is very interesting.

madgoat33 03-12-2013 03:34 PM

kinda funny about Keith and seabrook. play average competition with more than 50% offensive zone starts and still get dominated.

massivegoonery 03-12-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldsteelonice84 (Post 61503725)
Also, Bolland gets the most difficult competition, so people should cut him some slack.

He's still got a giant, fire red circle around his name.

massivegoonery 03-12-2013 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IU Hawks fan (Post 61503563)
http://thecommittedindian.com/

http://thecommittedindian.com/wp-con...hicagoMar9.jpg

Players with a red circle have been on the ice for more shots against, while blue circles have been out for more shots for. The larger the circle, the greater the number of shots for/against.

What we can take from this:
- Rosival is miles better than Brookbank
- The Shaw line is far from being a traditional 3rd line checking line, as anyone watching could tell you. They're the energy line and Q is protecting who play against IE: they dominate lines worse than their own, as we've seen
- Keith/Seabrook is effectively the 2nd pair. Oduya/Hammer play better competition and still are more effective in not allowing shots.
- Sharp/Kane obviously need a center to play with
- Saad-Toews-Hossa obviously kick ass
- Carcillo has actually been pretty worthless, hence the 4' he's down to

Kruger the same as last year, starts all his shifts in the defensive zone and still ends up with a positive CORSI.

Bubba88 03-12-2013 03:44 PM

what's it with left and right? Left own goal and right attacking zone? Does this mean Krüger almost ever starts his shifts in the Hawks zone?

madgoat33 03-12-2013 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by massivegoonery (Post 61507649)
He's still got a giant, fire red circle around his name.

and from the comments on committedindian he's played less than 2.5% of his total team ice time without kane/Sharp. which means either they made up abunch of shots when playing with kruger while bolland was out, and/or they are far more productive in the short time they get away from him each game. in either case, bolland is pretty clearly dragging sharp and kane down.

Bubba88 03-12-2013 03:51 PM

yep. Going by this Bolland is used wrong

KanetoToews2883 03-12-2013 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IU Hawks fan (Post 61503563)
http://thecommittedindian.com/

http://thecommittedindian.com/wp-con...hicagoMar9.jpg

Players with a red circle have been on the ice for more shots against, while blue circles have been out for more shots for. The larger the circle, the greater the number of shots for/against.

What we can take from this:
- Rosival is miles better than Brookbank
- The Shaw line is far from being a traditional 3rd line checking line, as anyone watching could tell you. They're the energy line and Q is protecting who play against IE: they dominate lines worse than their own, as we've seen
- Keith/Seabrook is effectively the 2nd pair. Oduya/Hammer play better competition and still are more effective in not allowing shots.
- Sharp/Kane obviously need a center to play with
- Saad-Toews-Hossa obviously kick ass
- Carcillo has actually been pretty worthless, hence the 4' he's down to

I post regularly at TCI,
But yes. Kane needs some linemates (and Bolland is the best we've got to play with him), Sharp's out now, so Kane needs 2 linemates (sorry Vik).

Carcillo blows

and the 3rd line is the most protected of lines.

KanetoToews2883 03-12-2013 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubba88 (Post 61507805)
what's it with left and right? Left own goal and right attacking zone? Does this mean Krüger almost ever starts his shifts in the Hawks zone?

Yes on the X axis is the # of Ozone starts the Y axis is QoC. Keep in mind that Kruger is on the PK a lot, ( I don't believe this is filtered for 5 on 5 play only although it might be..)

madgoat33 03-12-2013 04:00 PM

pretty sure its es only

HockeySensible 03-12-2013 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sevanston (Post 61504999)
Kruger starts less than 35% of his shifts in the offensive zone. Still has 10 points and a positive shot differential.

Gotta love that.

The guy has no offensive game, at all.

KanetoToews2883 03-12-2013 04:12 PM

Kruger CORSI benefits from playing with Frolik who has never seen a 40 ft wrist shot thru traffic he didnt like

madgoat33 03-12-2013 04:16 PM

can't get over how pathetic keith/seabrook look on that chart. totally mediocre in every way and getting totally outplayed by a pairing that makes half what they do.

Pepe Silvia 03-12-2013 04:53 PM

But Oduya blows! All those poor clearing attempts that lead to turnovers. And he's so soft along the boards. Bowman is an idiot.

salty justice 03-12-2013 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madgoat33 (Post 61507237)
kinda funny about Keith and seabrook. play average competition with more than 50% offensive zone starts and still get dominated.

Keith and Seabrook are still the top D pair, but Leddy Hjalmarsson are the stay at home shutdown D pairing. The fact that you see Keith-Seabs in the middle says they're playing equally in all situations. They don't block as many shots as the 2nd pairing does and they pinch in offensively more.

madgoat33 03-12-2013 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salty justice (Post 61512201)
Keith and Seabrook are still the top D pair, but Leddy Hjalmarsson are the stay at home shutdown D pairing. The fact that you see Keith-Seabs in the middle says they're playing equally in all situations. They don't block as many shots as the 2nd pairing does and they pinch in offensively more.

and they get massively outshot on the ice. oduya/hammer are on the ice for more shots for than against despite starting in the defensive zone roughly 15% more than Keith and seabrook and playing against better competition


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