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Major4Boarding 03-14-2013 11:10 PM

Phoenix LXXIII: "This Space Available"
 
Previous thread - Phoenix LXXII: Send in the Clowns

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1348551

All yours, kdb...

kdb209 03-14-2013 11:25 PM

The most plausible explanation for the Phoenix comedy (Tragedy tomorrow, Comedy tonight!) ...

http://www.usahockey.com/uploadedIma...final_clip.jpg

If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumber'd here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yielding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend:
if you pardon, we will mend:
And, as I am an honest Puck,
If we have unearned luck
Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue,
We will make amends ere long;
Else the Puck a liar call;
So, good night unto you all.
Give me your hands, if we be friends,
And Robin shall restore amends.

12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
02-02-2012 Phoenix XLIII: How to Bake Cupcakes in Less Than Two Weeks
02-28-2012 Phoenix XLIV: Ignorance & Apathy (or I Doan't know & I Doan't Care)
03-28-2012 Phoenix XLV: You can't YANDLE the truth!
04-11-2012 Phoenix XLVI: (Tre)living on a prayer
04-21-2012 Phoenix XLVII: More Threads than Superbowls
05-01-2012 Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman
05-08-2012 Phoenix XLIX: Smoke & Mirrors
05-21-2012 Phoenix L: AllByDesign?
05-30-2012 Phoenix LI: es, Damn Lies, and Arena Management Fees
06-06-2012 Phoenix LII: Goodnight, Sweet Lieberman
06-08-2012 Phoenix LIII: How the GWInch Stole Phoenix
06-12-2012 Phoenix LIV:E and Let Die
06-19-2012 Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building
06-26-2012 Phoenix LVI: s is Still Dead (or Maybe Working at a 7-11 in Glendale)
07-04-2012 Phoenix LVII (or MDCCLXXVI): Declarations of (In)Dependence
07-13-2012 Phoenix LVIII; Will jobbing get jobbed?
07-30-2012 Phoenix LIX: The JIG is up?
08-18-2012 Phoenix LX: Pinocchio's Furniture
09-07-2012 Phoenix LXI; We agreed to pay HOW MUCH‽
09-26-2012 Phoenix LXII: Abandon Hope all Ye Who Enter Here
10-16-2012 Phoenix LXIII: Have Become, Comfortably Numb;
11-06-2012 Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?
11-21-2012 Phoenx LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"
11-27-2012 Phoenix LXVI: Get Your Kicks On Thread LXVI
12-18-2012 Phoenix LXVII: Route66 - Aftermath
01-15-2013 Phoenix LXVIII - "Watch out for that Tree"
01-25-2013 Phoenix LXIX: Thread of LXIX
01-30-2013 Phoenix LXX: Should they stay or should they go now?
02-01-2013 Phoenix LXXI: Daydream Belever
02-12-2013 Phoenix LXXII: Send in the Clowns
03-14-2013 Phoenix LXXIII: "This Space Available"

A couple whole bunch of Phoenix uThreads have popped up in the wake of the "To close, or not to close" mega-thread discussion:

03-16-2012 COG to spend more on Coyotes than public safety?
03-22-2012 Dreger (3/22): NHL to investigate "plan b" for Phoenix
03-23-2012 Sunnicks strikes again "will they stay or will they go now?"
03-28-2012 G&M: Architects of Glendale pro sports disaster won't be around for fallout
03-30-2012 Shoalts: Ice Edge talking about bringing (minor) hockey to the Job should Yotes leave
04-04-2012 Shoalts: Glendale Mayor Scruggs wants city's $$ back
04-05-2012 Coyotes CEO 'confident' team is staying in Glendale
04-05-2012 Puck Daddy: Coyotes battline relocation worries with public optimism
04-06-2012 A strong PHX team in the playoffs may bring a new owner.
04-10-2012 Father of PHX AGM Brad Treliving involved in keeping Coyotes in Glendale?
04-10-2012 PKP offer for Coyotes may be 230 million (mod: to QC w/relo $$)
04-10-2012 Beasley: Coyotes deal within a month
04-11-2012 Glendale, NHL trying to close Phoenix Coyotes deal with Jamison group
04-11-2012 Bettman: no timeline on Phoenix situation (AP)
04-13-2012 Adding up the Numbers in the Phoenix Jamison Bid
04-16-2012 COG's Lieberman calls for demonstration against Coyote deal
04-17-2012 COG - budget payment to Jamison group not to exceed $20m?
04-17-2012 GWI ready to scrutinize new deal
04-18-2012 Coyotes sale soon, five things to watch
04-21-2012 Jamison looking for more investors on Coyotes bid, could be 1-2 months away from deal
04-21-2012 Greg Jamison finally goes public with potential purchase of the Coyotes
04-24-2012 Glendale Busts its Budget; Pledges More Money for Yotes
04-27-2012 Coyotes working to convert bandwagon fans to full time fans
04-28-2-12 4/28: Coyote sale deal getting closer
04-30-2012 Phoenix Coyotes sale finalized May 8th? Hulsizer back in?
05-03-2012 Phoenix CEO/Pres Nealy - something could happen next week
05-04-2012 Feschuk: Phoenix Coyotes doing just fine, thanks
05-04-2012 If the yotes make the finals
05-04-2012 Former Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes assails NHL over Coyotes’ operations
05-07-2012 NHL to announce tentative deal re: sale to Jamison
05-08-2012 Sportsnet: COG promising $306mm over next 21 years
05-08-2012 Wall Street Journal: 'Glendale's Public Hockey Project' = Loss
05-17-2012 Phoenix saga: 5/22 end date
05-17-2012 Jamison signing preliminary sales docs with NHL 5/17 or 5/18
05-21-2012 Goldwater Inst. ready to sue Glendale over arena management deal
05-23-2012 COG council approves preliminary budget with $17m payment for arena management
05-25-2012 Preliminary draft of lease agreement for Jobing.com in hands of COG board
06-04-2012 Phoenix lease details
06-05-2012 Bettmans plan may unravel in Phoenix (vote coming 6/8)
06-06-2012 The angst of Phoenix -- from three major league teams to one (that use city name)
06-06-2012 Forbes: Jamison having trouble raising funds
06-07-2012 GWI letter to Glendale Mayor and Coucilmembers
06-07-2012 Arizona Free Enterprise Club opposes COG deal
06-07-2012 Goldwater Institute Files for Restraining Order
06-11-2012 Coyote name change on hold?
06-13-2012 13 June, Goldwater files suit
06-14-2012 Halverstadt on NHL Home Ice talking Coyotes
06-14-2012 Coyotes deadline "now"? NHL schedule releasing soon
06-15-2012 PBJ: CoG says they'll withstand GWI legal challenge
06-15-2012 AFEC considering ballot (referendum) and COG concil recall
06-18-2012 Phoenix Coyotes, NHL looking for legal counsel to represent team, arena
06-19-2012 Coyotes deal not immediately effective - Referendum to follow?
06-26-2012 COG + GWI agreement on non-emergency status
06-28-2012 Jones/Cobb v Glendale (Coyotes Court Case)
07-04-2012 Coyotes PAC formed
07-04-2012 COG city council candidates voice opposition to Coyotes deal
07-05-2012 Shoalts 7/5 update on Coyotes situation
07-09-2012 Coyotes lease referendum petition not submitted by 7/9
07-11-2012 Glendale rejects group's attempt to overturn sales-tax increase
07-12-2012 PBJ: Jamison group has funding for purchase of Coyotes
07-16-2012 2 COG referendum proponents gearing up for legal battle
07-26-2012 Jones & Cobb decide to NOT file lawsuit after their lease referendum rejected
07-26-2012 PBJ: 7/27 deadline for Coyotes sale?
07-28-2012 PBJ: 7/28: Jamison short $20mm?
07-31-2012 Glendale arena proposal scheduled to expire 7/31, extended another 31 days
08-01-2012 Mayoral candidates speaking out on Coyotes prospective owner
08-08-2012 PBJ: 8/8 Jamison group apparently now has the funds to buy Coyotes
08-10-2012 SBN's Five for Howling: Coyotes sale a done deal
08-16-2012 COG mayoral candidate: Rework proposed lease due to lockout
08-18-2012 CBA uncertainty delaying Coyotes sale?
08-24-2012 8/24: Appeals Court Orders Glendale Sales-Tax Measure to be put Back on Ballot
08-27-2012 8/27 COG extends lease (with NHL) again (pending sale to Jamison group)
08-29-2012 COG seeking change to negotiated proposed arena deal with Jamison
09-04-2012 ESPN Burnside has source that says Jamison's got funding, arena deal to be done
09-11-2012 PBJ: O’odham tribe now involved in Jamison's deal to buy team?
09-29-2012 Final details on Coyotes lease to be settled 10/3?
10-07-2012 Final vote on reworked Jobing.com lease coming 10/23?
10-08-2012 Deja vu, redux = COG talk about extending agreement with NHL another 30 days
11-01-2012 Dater: Phoenix reason for lockout
11-07-2012 Impact of Glendale election on fate of Phoenix Coyotes future
11-26-2012 COG to vote on revised lease 11/27
11-30-2012 Referendum starts process (against) Glendale arena deal with Jamison
12-21-2012 Jamison officially signs Jobing.com lease agreement
12-26-2012 Coyotes could break even, or even profit, if there are no games
12-27-2012 Shoalts: Jamison using US Green Cards to lure investors in Coyotes
01-06-2013 Sportsnet: Jamison group about to finalize Coyotes purchase
01-30-2013 Burnside, LeBrun: Sale of Coyotes to Jamison in Question
01-31-2012 NHL no longer denying relocation a possibility for the Coyotes?
02-01-2013 USA Today's Allen: NHL must continue committment to Phoenix
02-02-2013 Phoenix - Glendale vs Scottsdale
02-08-2013 Grant Woods leading (new) ownership group to (try to) buy Coyotes
02-12-2013 Hulsizer back to looking at buying Coyotes?
03-28-2013 Report: NHL may soon consider relocation for Coyotes; Ice Edge back in picture?
03-29-2013 Bettman: Hey COG, expect something in about a week

And, hey, why not, for completeness:

03-05-2010 NHL sues Jerry Moyes

Tommy Hawk 03-14-2013 11:31 PM

We shoulda used Eight Men Out

Llama19 03-14-2013 11:32 PM

Congrats goes to TheLegend for the title... :handclap:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=987

2525 03-15-2013 07:27 AM

Unbelievable this has been going on for 5 years.

GuelphStormer 03-15-2013 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killion
So maybe thats whats evolving, this is the way he's been thinking, the strategy. It didnt/doesnt matter that the price for the franchise just continues to go up, bought & paid for on a LOC, he can easily flip it to wherever elsewhere while artificially maintaining the average franchise values of $200M with a bit of a bump. He'll just have to be careful in the selection of destination, a 'B' type market, smaller, more boutique, one that would be moderately as opposed to wildly successful. So maybe QC scare's him a bit that way. Reason why he didnt pull the trigger last summer, contemporaneously combined with the Lockout, Jamison continuing to provide the requisite cover.... Like shopping for a pair of cammo pants. Impossible to find. Obvious, but not so much. Pretty ding dang clever if you ask me Whileee. And colder than ice itself.

so, QC would be too successful, make too much money, and screw up the master plan? interesting. seems like an odd way to run a business to me, but hey.

cbcwpg 03-15-2013 09:41 AM

"This Space Available"..... It sure is... for a measly $170,000,000.

Too bad the owner of this space is insisting on New York City pricing in small town Glendale.

Just because I can sell the team for $170M as a portable asset does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that it's worth that to keep it in Glendale. The NHL needs to make a decision... do they want the team to stay or not.... and if they want it to stay, then lower the price accordingly.

This house has been on the market for 4 years and has been unable to sell at initial asking price. The market has spoken and the price is too high.

GuelphStormer 03-15-2013 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbcwpg (Post 61702101)
"This Space Available"..... It sure is... for a measly $170,000,000.

Too bad the owner of this space is insisting on New York City pricing in small town Glendale.

Just because I can sell the team for $170M as a portable asset does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that it's worth that to keep it in Glendale. The NHL needs to make a decision... do they want the team to stay or not.... and if they want it to stay, then lower the price accordingly.

This house has been on the market for 4 years and has been unable to sell at initial asking price. The market has spoken and the price is too high.

i think you have answered your own questions

... the NHL has made a decision and has priced it accordingly ... to not sell locally.

tarheelhockey 03-15-2013 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuelphStormer (Post 61702719)
i think you have answered your own questions

... the NHL has made a decision and has priced it accordingly ... to not sell locally.

Exactly. This isn't just about keeping the Coyotes in Glendale. If the league puts the franchise on the market at "Phoenix value" and some outside entity snaps it up and moves it, the league just lost tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars for no good reason. They could just as easily put it on the market at "relocation value", hope for a white knight local buyer, and then sell the team to the highest bidder at a premium value when the time comes. That's not throwing anyone under the bus, it's just maintaining the value of the asset.

MNNumbers 03-15-2013 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbcwpg (Post 61702101)
"This Space Available"..... It sure is... for a measly $170,000,000.

Too bad the owner of this space is insisting on New York City pricing in small town Glendale.

Just because I can sell the team for $170M as a portable asset does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that it's worth that to keep it in Glendale. The NHL needs to make a decision... do they want the team to stay or not.... and if they want it to stay, then lower the price accordingly.

This house has been on the market for 4 years and has been unable to sell at initial asking price. The market has spoken and the price is too high.

And, to further elaborate on the tarheel's comments, I would say that if you liken the team to a house, then, the NHL has had renters willing to pay the mortgage, so the need to sell has not been high. Sure, stick that high-ball price out there. If someone can make it work, it's off of our hands......

But, now, however, it seems that the renters are leaving, and no one else is coming around to rent. If this is the right metaphor, we may soon see a sale, because the need to sell in order not to acquire too much red ink, is increasing....

As always, for the League, nothing is a matter of doing the right thing. Everything is a matter of $$$ in the immediate time.

mesamonster 03-15-2013 11:02 AM

Bringing back the previous thread title, has anyone seen the clowns in the building yet? My guess is a big "NO". Once again, is it GB who is putting these new lies about new suitors out there? Three or four? Please, stop insulting everyone, but most of all, stop misleading the fans. The $170MM price tag was too high the day they put it out there, they knew it, and so did every tire kicker that came along! The NHL has known for years that this market, with a building located in the middle of nowhere would never sell! However, as long as the Council was stupid enough to hand over taxpayer money they would stay. Well, time is up, no buyers, no clown sightings and the stumpy Commish needs to make a decision soon or risk taking a real haircut next year in Glendale where the skepticism will be at an all time high!!!!

Killion 03-15-2013 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuelphStormer (Post 61700365)
so, QC would be too successful, make too much money, and screw up the master plan? interesting. seems like an odd way to run a business to me, but hey.

Theorizing, hypothesizing, speculating. At this point in time almost nothing would surprise me. :laugh:

CasualFan 03-15-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbcwpg (Post 61702101)
This house has been on the market for 4 years and has been unable to sell at initial asking price. The market has spoken and the price is too high.

The market seems to be generally disinterested in NHL franchises to begin with. For this particular location, the market appears to believe that even a price of $0 is too high. That makes sense because even if you get the team for free, you still have to pay to operate it. But the NHL business model simply isn't viable in Glendale, so no entity is willing to do that. The NHL literally cannot even give this team away.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarheelhockey (Post 61703611)
If the league puts the franchise on the market at "Phoenix value" and some outside entity snaps it up and moves it, the league just lost tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars for no good reason.

- I don't see how that is even possible unless the outside entity is snapping up the franchise as part of a strategy to file an antitrust claim. The league has always fought to persist control of franchise location (See also: Balsillie, Jim). Besides, the NHL already put the franchise on the market at "Phoenix value":

- By delivering a $300MM+ public funding component, the NHL essentially set the "Phoenix value" at $0. Then they brought in one of their top fixers, Greg Jamison, and gave him over a year to fine someone(s) willing to operate the team in Glendale. I don't need to tell you how that turned out.

It's not the "price" component that is preventing interest. It's the "fund operations of the team in Glendale" component that seems to keep every legitimate investor on the planet away.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MNNumbers (Post 61704137)
And, to further elaborate on the tarheel's comments, I would say that if you liken the team to a house, then, the NHL has had renters willing to pay the mortgage, so the need to sell has not been high.

As the great Othmar once wrote: "Glendale indemnified the NHL against their own failure to act" :handclap:

tarheelhockey 03-15-2013 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasualFan (Post 61709289)
- I don't see how that is even possible unless the outside entity is snapping up the franchise as part of a strategy to file an antitrust claim. The league has always fought to persist control of franchise location (See also: Balsillie, Jim). Besides, the NHL already put the franchise on the market at "Phoenix value":

- By delivering a $300MM+ public funding component, the NHL essentially set the "Phoenix value" at $0. Then they brought in one of their top fixers, Greg Jamison, and gave him over a year to fine someone(s) willing to operate the team in Glendale. I don't need to tell you how that turned out.

It's not the "price" component that is preventing interest. It's the "fund operations of the team in Glendale" component that seems to keep every legitimate investor on the planet away.

And it's only happening because, so far, the city has yet to completely disinvest itself of the team. Is the writing not pretty clearly on the wall at this point that a divorce is eventually going to happen if a white knight buyer isn't found? Surely you're not arguing that the Coyotes will remain under league control in Glendale forever, but I'm not able to tell from this post what you're projecting as an end-game.

GuelphStormer 03-15-2013 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarheelhockey (Post 61710093)
And it's only happening because, so far, the city has yet to completely disinvest itself of the team. Is the writing not pretty clearly on the wall at this point that a divorce is eventually going to happen if a white knight buyer isn't found? Surely you're not arguing that the Coyotes will remain under league control in Glendale forever, but I'm not able to tell from this post what you're projecting as an end-game.

that glendale has not yet definitively slammed shut the door might be little more now than karmic payback to the nhl for letting them scurry around with their heads cut off for four years. above all others, the nhl looks really stupid now.

honestly, the city could not have bent over any further. wrong and dangerous, no doubt, but nobody can say the city didn't do its part to try to keep the team in town.

if I were the new mayor, I would think about going on the offensive in the next couple of weeks and publicly tear a deep strip off bettman and the league. i mean, notwithstanding the (extortionally-positioned) $20M still sitting in escrow, what's he got to lose at this point?

Killion 03-15-2013 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasualFan (Post 61709289)
Then they brought in one of their top fixers, Greg Jamison...

And a lousy Michael Clayton impression it was. "Do I look like Im negotiating"?
Tell tale pale horse's fore-running, escalating to nowhere, implosion. Messy. :shakehead

CasualFan 03-15-2013 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarheelhockey (Post 61710093)
And it's only happening because, so far, the city has yet to completely disinvest itself of the team. Is the writing not pretty clearly on the wall at this point that a divorce is eventually going to happen if a white knight buyer isn't found? Surely you're not arguing that the Coyotes will remain under league control in Glendale forever, but I'm not able to tell from this post what you're projecting as an end-game.

I projected the NHL would suspend the operation of the team before they played a season without backstop funding from Glendale. I was wrong.

But, if Quebecorp is not interested in obtaining the team for the 13-14 season, it may turn out that I was just off by a year.

tarheelhockey 03-15-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasualFan (Post 61713417)
I projected the NHL would suspend the operation of the team before they played a season without backstop funding from Glendale. I was wrong.

But, if Quebecorp is not interested in obtaining the team for the 13-14 season, it may turn out that I was just off by a year.

Suspend operations, meaning not icing a team at all for a year?

What would happen to the players?

kdb209 03-15-2013 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarheelhockey (Post 61714029)
Suspend operations, meaning not icing a team at all for a year?

What would happen to the players?

The team owner (The League wearing one hat) defaults on their SPCs which could make the players UFAs - however, the League (wearing another hat) then has the option under Paragraph 12 of the SPC to assume any or all of those SPCs and assign them in any manner it chooses (auction, dispersal draft, rock-paper-scissors. etc).

Now, how the NHLPA (and potentially an arbiter after a grievance) would react to this may provide many more threads worth of entertainment.

goyotes 03-15-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuelphStormer (Post 61712729)
that glendale has not yet definitively slammed shut the door might be little more now than karmic payback to the nhl for letting them scurry around with their heads cut off for four years. above all others, the nhl looks really stupid now.

honestly, the city could not have bent over any further. wrong and dangerous, no doubt, but nobody can say the city didn't do its part to try to keep the team in town.

if I were the new mayor, I would think about going on the offensive in the next couple of weeks and publicly tear a deep strip off bettman and the league. i mean, notwithstanding the (extortionally-positioned) $20M still sitting in escrow, what's he got to lose at this point?

No doubt if the team relocates the CoG will go hard after the NHL, arguing they were misled into believing the NHL had qualified buyers in need of only a reasonable lease (which the CoG provided), and that the "insurance" policy of the last two $25M payments was an orchastrated attempt by the NHL to pass off its ownership obligations to the citizens of a small city.

It will get ugly. Already, STH's and fans who generally have supported the NHL over the past three years now blame the NHL as the reason why GJ didn't close because the price is too high. Right or wrong in their opinions, I see a ground swell and a signficant negative backlash against the NHL from a local and even national perspective. The optics if the team relocates do not play favorably from the NHL's perspective.

The story line will be the NHL was asleep at the wheel when they let one of their owners throw a team into BK. Then the NHL knowingly overpaid for the team to protect their territorial rights. Then the NHL took $50M from a small city. Then the CoG spent millions on negotiating and defending an AMLA that the NHL represented was necessary for a buyer to purchase the team. Then, my speculation at this point, it will be shown that financing and investment was not available because the asset the NHL sought to sell to a local buyer was inflated in price by as much as $70M. This after the NHL relocated one organization and pocketed the $60M relocation fee instead of applying that fee to the losses the NHL was incurring as the owner of one of its organizations.

I know there is another narrative, but in the mind of the public, the backlash against the NHL will be signficant. I suppose the league assumes its reputation can't get any worse, so whatever.:shakehead

tarheelhockey 03-15-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kdb209 (Post 61714587)
The team owner (The League wearing one hat) defaults on their SPCs which could make the players UFAs - however, the League (wearing another hat) then has the option under Paragraph 12 of the SPC to assume any or all of those SPCs and assign them in any manner it chooses (auction, dispersal draft, rock-paper-scissors. etc).

Now, how the NHLPA (and potentially an arbiter after a grievance) would react to this may provide many more threads worth of entertainment.

So if the franchise is (sold and) re-activated, how do they ice a team? Some kind of expansion-esque draft?

I know franchise suspensions have happened in the minors and in the annals of history, but it's hard to imagine it happening in the present day NHL. It's an even bigger black eye than the current situation.

MoreOrr 03-15-2013 02:43 PM

How's it going around here guys? Have you been keeping the ghost well-fed?

goyotes 03-15-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kdb209 (Post 61714587)
The team owner (The League wearing one hat) defaults on their SPCs which could make the players UFAs - however, the League (wearing another hat) then has the option under Paragraph 12 of the SPC to assume any or all of those SPCs and assign them in any manner it chooses (auction, dispersal draft, rock-paper-scissors. etc).

Now, how the NHLPA (and potentially an arbiter after a grievance) would react to this may provide many more threads worth of entertainment.

That would present an interesting issue with relocation. Six teams in the pacific, 13 in the West, while 8 in each division and 16 in the East.

I don't think so....

Major4Boarding 03-15-2013 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tarheelhockey (Post 61715565)
So if the franchise is (sold and) re-activated, how do they ice a team? Some kind of expansion-esque draft?

I know franchise suspensions have happened in the minors and in the annals of history, but it's hard to imagine it happening in the present day NHL. It's an even bigger black eye than the current situation.

Would have to think that given the relative "ease" the way the PA went into green-lighting realignment that outside the League pulling the mother of all Bazinga!'s and suspends operations, they're staying till either one of Seattle/QC nears fruition.

Major4Boarding 03-15-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by goyotes (Post 61715213)
No doubt if the team relocates the CoG will go hard after the NHL, arguing they were misled into believing the NHL had qualified buyers in need of only a reasonable lease (which the CoG provided), and that the "insurance" policy of the last two $25M payments was an orchastrated attempt by the NHL to pass off its ownership obligations to the citizens of a small city.

It will get ugly.

Also would have to think that this ship of opportunity sunk a long time ago as well... try as they may.


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