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fibonacci* 03-15-2013 01:19 PM

Since 2006 all Stanley Cup winning goalies from teams' own farm system
 
Except for Thomas, who wasn't even a high priced FA. I don't understand why teams splurge on goaltending when they should be scouting.

Razor29 03-15-2013 01:23 PM

It takes a long time to groom a goalie into a position where they are good enough to win the cup. And goalies are harder to gauge than players imo.

Prairie Habs 03-15-2013 01:24 PM

Niemi was 25 when he signed with the Hawks and only played part of one year in the AHL for them before he helped win them the cup. I don't know if he really counts.

IHaveNoCreativity 03-15-2013 01:26 PM

That's an interesting stat. I find it hard to believe though...

MadDog172430 03-15-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fibonacci (Post 61714381)
Except for Thomas, who wasn't even a high priced FA. I don't understand why teams splurge on goaltending when they should be scouting.

Giguere wasn't drafted by the Ducks to my recollection.

Redstreak 03-15-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MadDog172430 (Post 61715095)
Giguere wasn't drafted by the Ducks to my recollection.

Traded from the Flames, IIRC, but my trivia from back then is a bit fuzzy.

DBU 03-15-2013 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadDog172430 (Post 61715095)
Giguere wasn't drafted by the Ducks to my recollection.

No, he was drafted by the Flames.

salty justice 03-15-2013 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Prairie Habs (Post 61714647)
Niemi was 25 when he signed with the Hawks and only played part of one year in the AHL for them before he helped win them the cup. I don't know if he really counts.

It counts in the sense that all the winning goalies since 2006, Thomas included, came into their own on the team they won with. None of them were high priced free agents.

All of them were on stacked teams and were good enough to win when it mattered.

It's just more evidence that throwing big money and years at a UFA goalie is a terrible idea. See Bryzgalov, Huet, Khabibulin, Luongo... I can't think of any big money goalie that's ever lived up to the contract.

Reign Nateo 03-15-2013 01:34 PM

There's no rules or formula for winning a cup, no matter how people try to spin facts like this.

alcanalz 03-15-2013 01:35 PM

So your title is obviously wrong.

Joe McGrath 03-15-2013 01:37 PM

I'm not sure what the OP is trying to get at here. Thomas spent more time in the Bruins minor league system than Giguere or Niemi did in their respective cup winning organizations.

Sirquacksalot 03-15-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DBU (Post 61715145)
No, he was drafted by the Flames.

No. He was drafted by Hartford, traded to the Flames, then traded to the Ducks.

MadDog172430 03-15-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by salty justice (Post 61715179)
It counts in the sense that all the winning goalies since 2006, Thomas included, came into their own on the team they won with. None of them were high priced free agents.

All of them were on stacked teams and were good enough to win when it mattered.

It's just more evidence that throwing big money and years at a UFA goalie is a terrible idea. See Bryzgalov, Huet, Khabibulin, Luongo... I can't think of any big money goalie that's ever lived up to the contract.

Not exactly fair, in my opinion. Luongo nearly carried his team to a Cup, Thomas just had a ridiculous playoff and beat him out in a 7 game series. Khabibulin may not have won a Cup in Chiago either, but he was pretty damn successful and won one in Tampa Bay.

hatterson 03-15-2013 01:44 PM

2006 Hurricanes - Ward - Drafted by the Canes in 2002
2007 Ducks - Giguere - Drafted by the Whalers in 1995. Traded to Ducks in 2000. Played 23 games in minors before joining the Ducks
2008 Red Wings - Osgood - Drafted by the Wings in 1991, but also played with the Blues and Islanders. Latest acquisition was a FA signing
2009 Penguins - Fleury - Drafted by the Pens in 2003
2010 Blackhawks - Niemi - Undrafted - Signed with Hawks at age 25, played 38 games in minors before joining Hawks in NHL
2011 Bruins - Thomas - Drafted by the Nordiques in 1994, played in several minor league organization and European teams before signing with the Bruins in 2005
2012 Kings - Quick - Drafted by the Kings in 2005

illninofan* 03-15-2013 02:18 PM

Only Ward, Osgood, Fleury, Niemi and Quick would I describe as "home grown" or brought up through their respective team's system.

Then again, the definition changes from person to person.

DG 03-15-2013 02:25 PM

Cup Finals Losers:

Brodeur - homegrown
Luongo - not
Leighton - not
Osgood - homegrown (though I would consider him more "not")
Fleury - homegrown
Emery - homegrown
Roloson - not

Take this as you will... 50/50 for the runner ups.

Wildcarder 03-15-2013 02:36 PM

OPs Hidden Message: TRADE LUONGO!

The Bored Man 03-15-2013 02:40 PM

In other words: certain situations exist....except when they don't.

illninofan* 03-15-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 61717705)
Osgood - homegrown (though I would consider him more "not")

Afraid I don't understand.

The Red Wings drafted him and he broke in with them originally, his spending time with other organizations before going back to them doesn't change this.

umwoz 03-15-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bored Man (Post 61718433)
In other words: certain situations exist....except when they don't.

60% of the time, every time.

Wedontneedroads 03-15-2013 02:44 PM

When was the last time a big name goalie took a big contract from a new team in FA?

Doesn't seem to happen often at all. Bryz is the only recent one I can really think of.

DG 03-15-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by illninofan (Post 61718489)
Afraid I don't understand.

The Red Wings drafted him and he broke in with them originally, his spending time with other organizations before going back to them doesn't change this.

He is home grown.

But, the OP is saying you need to do a good job scouting prospects to have a Cup winning goalie. I don't think Osgood fits here, even if he won the Cup with the Wings after returning to them years after his first stint with them.

If the Wings were following that model, they either wouldn't have re-acquired him and would have had a home grown goalie from their own system in goal that year, or they never would have let him go in the first place.

The second he left the team, he wasn't what the OP was talking about. His point is you don't need to sign a goalie as a FA or acquire one through a trade. Osgood clearly was.

illninofan* 03-15-2013 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DG (Post 61718765)
He is home grown.

But, the OP is saying you need to do a good job scouting prospects to have a Cup winning goalie. I don't think Osgood fits here, even if he won the Cup with the Wings after returning to them years after his first stint with them.

If the Wings were following that model, they either wouldn't have re-acquired him and would have had a home grown goalie from their own system in goal that year, or they never would have let him go in the first place.

The second he left the team, he wasn't what the OP was talking about. His point is you don't need to sign a goalie as a FA or acquire one through a trade. Osgood clearly was.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. :thumbu:

Bobby Smash 03-15-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DBU (Post 61715145)
No, he was drafted by the Flames.

Drafted by the Hartford whalers was Giguere.

ZARTONK 03-15-2013 02:58 PM

I think this shows that theses teams were able to indentify the fact that they have an elite goaltender in their system and have thus kept him.

Not all teams are lucky enought to successfully draft a potential cup winner but those teams that do keep them, at all cost.


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