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PhillyBluesFan 03-16-2013 11:47 AM

Which of these playoff series featured the most talent
 
2002 Red Wings vs Avalanche
vs
1996 Red Wings vs Blues
vs
1983 Islanders vs Oilers

P.S. this is not which series had the best depth chart its which had the best talent. Depth does matter but just look at the players not positions.

Big Phil 03-16-2013 12:17 PM

I chose 1983 >2002> 1996.

You can't go wrong with a series featuring Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Anderson, Trottier, Bossy, Potvin, Bourne, Tonelli, Gillies and then a HHOF goalie with a pretty darn good one on the other end in Moog. Yes Moog was the starter in the 1983 playoffs, not Fuhr as he broke through the next year.

2002 had a lot of talent but I am afraid the Red Wings were a little too past their prime to compete with the 1983 bunch.

blogofmike 03-16-2013 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Phil (Post 61759431)
I chose 1983 >2002> 1996.

You can't go wrong with a series featuring Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Anderson, Trottier, Bossy, Potvin, Bourne, Tonelli, Gillies and then a HHOF goalie with a pretty darn good one on the other end in Moog. Yes Moog was the starter in the 1983 playoffs, not Fuhr as he broke through the next year.

2002 had a lot of talent but I am afraid the Red Wings were a little too past their prime to compete with the 1983 bunch.

Same. The 1996 Blues were big names but Gretzky, Hull, MacInnis, Anderson were all better earlier. Pronger was good, but would get better. If these guys were in their primes, 1996 could beat 2002 (and the Blues probably beat the Wings in 6 or less.)

Rhiessan71 03-16-2013 02:45 PM

I meant to hit 83>02>96 but hit 83>96>02 accidently.

unknown33 03-16-2013 02:59 PM

Based on how good the players were at the time or on their peak?

Syckle78 03-16-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blogofmike (Post 61766081)
Same. The 1996 Blues were big names but Gretzky, Hull, MacInnis, Anderson were all better earlier. Pronger was good, but would get better. If these guys were in their primes, 1996 could beat 2002 (and the Blues probably beat the Wings in 6 or less.)

You honestly believe prime '96 Blues beat prime '02 Wings? The only advantage the Blues would have is Gretzky. As great as the great one is he isn't good enough to overcome the huge disparity in depth and in goal.

overg 03-16-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Syckle78 (Post 61792379)
You honestly believe prime '96 Blues beat prime '02 Wings? The only advantage the Blues would have is Gretzky. As great as the great one is he isn't good enough to overcome the huge disparity in depth and in goal.

Yeah, that was a rather odd statement. The "prime" 2002 Wings would be one of the best prime teams of all time. Prime Gretzky would make any series interesting, and having prime Hull, Pronger, and McGinnis would be something to see, but the concept of a prime 2002 Wings is mind-boggling.

VanIslander 03-16-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by overg (Post 61797235)
...the concept of a prime 2002 Wings is mind-boggling.

Not compared to prime Oilers vs. Islanders.

Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Coffey and co. in their prime versus Trottier, Bossy, Potvin and co. almost but not quite happened (missed by half a decade), all seven of the aforementioned were greater than all but one or two of the 2002 Wings.

pdd 03-16-2013 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VanIslander (Post 61801165)
Not compared to prime Oilers vs. Islanders.

Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Coffey and co. in their prime versus Trottier, Bossy, Potvin and co. almost but not quite happened (missed by half a decade), all seven of the aforementioned were greater than all but one or two of the 2002 Wings.

The 2002 Wings? Or the 2002 Wings and Avs? Because if we're comparing the whole series, and adding up the Isles and Oil, it seems like the Avs should be in there too.

Gretzky>Yzerman
Trottier<Sakic
Messier>Forsberg
Sutter<Fedorov
Bossy>Hull
Kurri>Shanahan
Anderson<Robitaille
Gillies<Datsyuk
Tonelli<Larionov

Coffey<Lidstrom
Potvin>Chelios
Huddy<Blake
Lowe<Duchesne

Smith<Hasek
Moog<Roy

Outside of 1983 having Gretzky, this looks pretty favorable to the 2002 series when you match up prime v. prime.

Gretzky>Yzerman
Trottier>Fedorov
Messier>Larionov
Sutter<Datsyuk
Bossy>Hull
Kurri>Shanahan
Anderson<Robitaille
Gillies>Draper
Tonelli>Holmstrom

Coffey<Lidstrom
Potvin>Chelios
Huddy<Duchesne
Lowe>Olausson

Smith<Hasek
Moog>Legace

It favors the 1983 series more if you only use the Wings roster.

pdd 03-16-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by overg (Post 61797235)
Yeah, that was a rather odd statement. The "prime" 2002 Wings would be one of the best prime teams of all time. Prime Gretzky would make any series interesting, and having prime Hull, Pronger, and McGinnis would be something to see, but the concept of a prime 2002 Wings is mind-boggling.

Not to mention, prime (pre-prime?) Yzerman shut down prime Gretzky in the 1987 playoffs on a Wings team that had basically **** for defensemen. Yzerman was put on Gretzky again in 1988 (after he came back from injury), and then again in 1996. Yzerman then was the primary forward shadowing Lindros in 1997. Putting a prime Yzerman in that same role on a prime Gretzky with a prime Lidstrom... I think it would work just fine. Which leaves any number of highly talented offensive players to combat the other Blues players.

The only significant player for the Blues would be Gretzky.
Yzerman<Gretzky
Fedorov>Hawerchuk
Datsyuk>Tikkanen
Larionov>Corson
Draper>Zezel
Hull=Hull
Shanahan>Anderson
Robitaille>G.Courtnall
Lidstrom>Pronger
Chelios>MacInnis
Duchesne>Huddy
Olausson>Kravchuk
Fischer>Daigneault
Hasek>Fuhr
Legace<Casey

tony d 03-17-2013 09:07 AM

83
02
96

blogofmike 03-17-2013 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syckle78 (Post 61792379)
You honestly believe prime '96 Blues beat prime '02 Wings? The only advantage the Blues would have is Gretzky. As great as the great one is he isn't good enough to overcome the huge disparity in depth and in goal.

No. Prime Blues beat regular Red Wings. Regular Blues are probably weakest of the 6.

WingsFan95 03-17-2013 11:22 AM

83>02>96

The 1983 Oilers and Islanders could be argued as the two most stacked teams in modern NHL history, certainly the Oil were the most talented ever.

The 2002 Wings and Avalanche were basically the 1990s All-Decade team, so while the greats were aging, they were still incredible. Just considering you had Hasek & Roy as the goalies with Lidstrom and Bourque on defense and Fedorov, Yzerman, Shanahan & Hull against Sakic, Forsberg, Tanguay & Drury (obviously Drury and Tanguay not as impressive but still solid forwards).

PhillyBluesFan 03-17-2013 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsFan95 (Post 61831631)
83>02>96

The 1983 Oilers and Islanders could be argued as the two most stacked teams in modern NHL history, certainly the Oil were the most talented ever.

The 2002 Wings and Avalanche were basically the 1990s All-Decade team, so while the greats were aging, they were still incredible. Just considering you had Hasek & Roy as the goalies with Lidstrom and Bourque on defense and Fedorov, Yzerman, Shanahan & Hull against Sakic, Forsberg, Tanguay & Drury (obviously Drury and Tanguay not as impressive but still solid forwards).

02 Red Wings aren't more talented than the Oilers?

Syckle78 03-17-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blogofmike (Post 61831451)
No. Prime Blues beat regular Red Wings. Regular Blues are probably weakest of the 6.

Oh, mistook what you said. My bad.

Sentinel 03-18-2013 12:04 PM

We had this conversation in another thread, 84 Oilers vs. 02 DRW.

TheMoreYouKnow 03-18-2013 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sentinel (Post 61886065)
We had this conversation in another thread, 84 Oilers vs. 02 DRW.

That's never stopped anyone here to be honest.

IceAce 03-18-2013 02:10 PM

'83 goes first, it's not even close. After that it's a toss up, but probably '02 by a length.

The only down part about that '83 series is the Islanders (who were called "old" and "slow" going into the series mind you), demolished the Oilers in that series, so overall it wasnt a great series from a competitive standpoint (not that we were complaining mind you ;) ) The collection of Hall of Fame talent who played in that series is jaw-dropping.

WingsFan95 03-31-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyBluesFan (Post 61833321)
02 Red Wings aren't more talented than the Oilers?

If most of those stars on the 2002 Wings were 10 years younger, then I'd probably rank them even or slightly above the Oil.

As it was, the Oil were certainly more talented. You just had too many great players in their physical prime on that team.

Hardyvan123 03-31-2013 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillyBluesFan (Post 61833321)
02 Red Wings aren't more talented than the Oilers?

I think the 02 Red wings are more talented than the Oilers but I took this question to be each player at their prime as not all of the Oilers had peaked in 83 and some of the Isle had dipped as well.

If it's a players at their peak talent poll then it has to be 02 just on 2 of the top 3 goalies of all freaking time.

Throw in 2 of the best 5, maybe higher Dmen of all time, and then it overtakes any Wayne led team even.

Hardyvan123 03-31-2013 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsFan95 (Post 62892681)
If most of those stars on the 2002 Wings were 10 years younger, then I'd probably rank them even or slightly above the Oil.

As it was, the Oil were certainly more talented. You just had too many great players in their physical prime on that team.

Sorry but do people remember that the big 5 for Edmonton were only 21 and 22 in 83?

If it is a time specific question it's 02 for me.


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