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Sticks and Pucks 03-17-2013 11:54 AM

Most balanced NHL team ever?
 
Which team do you think was the most balanced in the NHL? I'm talking about teams such as the 05-06 Buffalo Sabres where there wasn't really that one guy that stood out but everyone could score. Have there been other teams that were just as balanced or even more balanced?

PhillyBluesFan 03-17-2013 11:56 AM

So you mean most balanced offensively? In that case I would go with the 02 Red Wings

dennilfloss 03-17-2013 11:57 AM

Late 70s Bruins once had 11 20-goal scorers if I remember well.

Mad Max 03-17-2013 06:35 PM

2001 Devils come to mind:


Elias-Arnott-Sykora
Madden-Holik-Mogilny
Brylin-Gomez-McKay
Pandolfo-Nemchinov-Stevenson


The 1st line combined for 96 G/136 A/232 P and +104
The 2nd line combined for 81 G/90 A/171 P and +53
The 3rd line combined for 60 G/98 A/158 P and +27
The 4th line combined for 20 G/52 A/72 P and +25


And then the defense pairings:


Stevens-Rafalski(+76)
Niedermayer-White(+46)
Daneyko-Sutton(+17)

Flames Maniac 03-18-2013 10:16 AM

The cup winning Ducks team comes to mind

redbull 03-18-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FirstOverallLine (Post 61833127)
Which team do you think was the most balanced in the NHL? I'm talking about teams such as the 05-06 Buffalo Sabres where there wasn't really that one guy that stood out but everyone could score. Have there been other teams that were just as balanced or even more balanced?

If you're talking balanced scoring then I'd go with the two goalie-stolen playoffs - the 93 Habs (Roy) and 03 Deviles (Marty)

MTL had 13 players with 10+ goals and nine players with 10+ points in the 20 playoff games.

NJ was also a very balanced team.

But in terms of teams overall, the Isles dynasty (say 81 or 82) were able to win games any way you wanted to play. They had no weakness. Multidimensional to say the least!

They could play very physical, all offense, tight defensively, were dangerous in close games and supremely confident even down a goal in the third on the road.

Tough to win four straight cups and the finals five straight years, the last two playoffs against (arguably) one of the best teams of all time, definitely the best offensive team ever.

Wrigley 03-18-2013 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FirstOverallLine (Post 61833127)
Which team do you think was the most balanced in the NHL? I'm talking about teams such as the 05-06 Buffalo Sabres where there wasn't really that one guy that stood out but everyone could score. Have there been other teams that were just as balanced or even more balanced?

By your definition I think this is the most balanced NHL team ever. There isn't really one guy that stands out and everyone has scored at least 7 points this season. I'm not kidding.

Offense GP G A Pts +/- PIM Hits Bks PPG PPA SHG SHA GW SOG Pct
Totals 60 108 168 -75 413 15 29 2 3 7 768 .078
League Rank T29 T26 T28 T25 4 23 T22 T6 T5 T28 T24 T27
Derick Brassard 27 4 11 15 -5 14 41 3 1 6 0 0 0 50 .080
Vinny Prospal 29 9 6 15 -1 20 26 8 4 1 0 0 2 57 .158
Fedor Tyutin 29 1 13 14 -5 20 41 41 0 4 0 1 0 37 .027
Mark Letestu 27 6 8 14 1 6 26 6 1 2 1 0 0 47 .128
Nick Foligno 29 3 10 13 1 22 56 16 1 2 0 0 0 39 .077
Jack Johnson 25 4 8 12 -9 6 31 52 3 3 0 0 0 55 .073
R.J. Umberger 29 5 5 10 -1 12 30 27 1 3 0 0 0 59 .085
Derek Dorsett 24 3 6 9 -11 53 55 10 0 0 0 0 0 38 .079
Brandon Dubinsky 18 1 8 9 -4 39 35 9 0 3 0 1 0 30 .033
James Wisniewski 15 3 6 9 -2 2 25 17 3 1 0 1 0 30 .100
Artem Anisimov 21 6 2 8 -6 8 11 14 1 0 0 0 2 49 .122
Ryan Johansen 21 1 6 7 -9 8 26 10 0 1 0 0 0 46 .022
Matt Calvert 26 4 3 7 -13 26 31 14 0 0 1 0 1 38 .105

Mayor Bee 03-18-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gmm (Post 61884851)
By your definition I think this is the most balanced NHL team ever. There isn't really one guy that stands out and everyone has scored at least 7 points this season. I'm not kidding.

Woo-hoo, I'm witnessing history!

shadow1 03-18-2013 02:43 PM

'03 Devils maybe:

Elias: 57
Langenbrunner: 55
Gomez: 55
Freisen: 51
Nieuwendyk: 45
Madden: 41
Rafalski: 40
Niedermayer: 35
Gionta: 25 (58 GP)

Johnny Engine 03-18-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesFanatic12 (Post 61881335)
The cup winning Ducks team comes to mind

You mean the team that had 3 defensmen playing nearly 30 minutes, one 20 minute guy and a couple of mannequins used to fill out the lineup card?

fireworks 03-18-2013 10:51 PM

1977-78 Boston Bruins


11 - 20 goal scorers

Cashman - 24 Goals
Jonathon - 27 Goals
Marcotte - 20 Goals
McNab - 41 Goals
Middleton - 25 Goals
Miller - 20 Goals
O'Reilly - 29 Goals
Park - 22 Goals
Ratelle - 25 Goals
Schmautz - 27 Goals
Sheppard - 23 Goals


Wensik had 16 Goals!

Obviously not the best team ever,but the most balanced (offensively)?

pdd 03-18-2013 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyBluesFan (Post 61833199)
So you mean most balanced offensively? In that case I would go with the 02 Red Wings

That was my first thought.

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbull (Post 61884683)
If you're talking balanced scoring then I'd go with the two goalie-stolen playoffs - the 93 Habs (Roy)

Roy was great in the 1993 playoffs.

But they were not "goalie-stolen". Montreal finished 3rd in their division, but they were 6th overall (102 points). And outside of their first-round series against an exceedingly inexperienced Quebec team (4th overall, 2nd in the division with 104 points), the Canadiens had home ice for every series. 119-point Pittsburgh lost in round two. 109-point Boston was out in round one. 106-point Chicago was out in round one. 103-point Detroit was out in round one. 101-point Vancouver was out in round two. 97-point Calgary was out in round one, and 93-point Washington was out in round one. The final four were 102-point Montreal, 99-point Toronto, 88-point Los Angeles, and the 87-point Islanders. Do you pick Montreal for the Cup at that point? It's pretty easy to. They were tied with Detroit for seventh in goals against; and of equal/better teams in that department, all went out in the first two rounds except for the Leafs. They were also ninth in goals for, with the Islanders and Kings having survived past round two. The Kings scored twelve more but had a negative goal differential in the regular season, the Islanders only scored nine more and gave up seventeen more, and Toronto scored 38 fewer goals while giving up 39 fewer, but was running with a rookie goalie and had already played 14 games in the first two rounds. Montreal's 14th game was a 4-1 loss against New York as the Islanders managed to avoid being swept.

Unless you're saying that Roy stole it by being a better and more experienced netminder than Potvin, and thus allowing his team to not have to play seven games in three consecutive series.

But that would mean most Cups are "goalie-stolen", as you put it.

quoipourquoi 03-19-2013 12:40 AM

I wouldn't call the 1993 Canadiens balanced, especially in the playoffs when Damphousse had a hand on 35% of all of their goals. The most balanced Montreal team to go deep in that era was 1989 (9 players with 10+ playoff points - and the rest of the regular playoff roster included names like Gainey, Ludwig, Carbonneau, Lemieux, Corson, Keane, Desjardins). I can't imagine they would be among the most balanced to ever play, however, since it was overwhelmingly apparent that two players in particular were the stars of the team.


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Originally Posted by eva unit zero (Post 61934637)
Roy was great in the 1993 playoffs.

But they were not "goalie-stolen". Montreal finished 3rd in their division, but they were 6th overall (102 points). And outside of their first-round series against an exceedingly inexperienced Quebec team (4th overall, 2nd in the division with 104 points), the Canadiens had home ice for every series. 119-point Pittsburgh lost in round two. 109-point Boston was out in round one. 106-point Chicago was out in round one. 103-point Detroit was out in round one. 101-point Vancouver was out in round two. 97-point Calgary was out in round one, and 93-point Washington was out in round one. The final four were 102-point Montreal, 99-point Toronto, 88-point Los Angeles, and the 87-point Islanders. Do you pick Montreal for the Cup at that point? It's pretty easy to. They were tied with Detroit for seventh in goals against; and of equal/better teams in that department, all went out in the first two rounds except for the Leafs. They were also ninth in goals for, with the Islanders and Kings having survived past round two. The Kings scored twelve more but had a negative goal differential in the regular season, the Islanders only scored nine more and gave up seventeen more, and Toronto scored 38 fewer goals while giving up 39 fewer, but was running with a rookie goalie and had already played 14 games in the first two rounds. Montreal's 14th game was a 4-1 loss against New York as the Islanders managed to avoid being swept.

Unless you're saying that Roy stole it by being a better and more experienced netminder than Potvin, and thus allowing his team to not have to play seven games in three consecutive series.

But that would mean most Cups are "goalie-stolen", as you put it.

Team GF, 1993
Western Conference

1. Detroit
2. Vancouver
3. Los Angeles (11.8% shooting)
4. Calgary
5. Winnipeg
Eastern Conference
1. Pittsburgh
2. Quebec (13.9% shooting)
3. Buffalo (12.5% shooting)
4. New York (12.9% shooting)

5. Boston

Roy's Save Percentage
vs. Quebec (.936; 32.3 SA)
vs. Buffalo (.915; 32.4 SA)
vs. New York (.932; 26.0 SA)
vs. Los Angeles (.929; 29.5 SA)

Goals-Per-Game
MTL (Season): 3.86
MTL (Playoffs): 3.02

Av-merican 03-19-2013 01:19 AM

Good question. I think I have to admit the 1999-2000 New Jersey Devils were one of the most-balanced teams I've ever seen. An elite top line (Elias-Arnott-Sykora), solid second line scoring from Mogilny and Gomez, an elite shutdown center in Bobby Holik, elite PK forwards in John Madden and Jay Pandolfo, a defense that sported Niedermayer, Souray, Rafalski, Stevens, and Daneyko, and of course, Martin Brodeur. Hell, even their 4th line guys like Sergei Brylin were no slouches. Just no real weaknesses on that squad. On paper that team the following season should've wiped the floor with every other team in the league, including the Avalanche. For obvious reasons, I'm glad they didn't.

patnyrnyg 03-19-2013 08:20 AM

I would say the Rangers from 99-2004. Since nobody could score, they didn't rely on just ONE guy!!!

begbeee 03-19-2013 08:35 AM

In particular sense, many bad teams fit here. I.e. 1996 Panthers had like 10 guys with more than 10 goals.
Some Devils and Wings teams are up there in the discussion.
Recently Bruins and Hawks in thier SC seasons were quite balanced.

JFA87-66-99 03-20-2013 08:29 AM

How about 1975 Buffalo I think. How many 20 goal scorers?

Perfect_Drug 03-20-2013 08:40 AM

80's Oilers.

Top end offense of 5x 50 goal scorers (Including the greatest player ever, with a 70 goal scoring Euro)
Agitator (Tikkannen)
Top end shut down line lead by MacTavish
Enforcer on forward - Semenko
Enforcer on Defense - McSorely

Record breaking scoring Dman - Coffey
7x All Star in Lowe (Who was a SHUT DOWN Stay at home).
Huddy and Beukeboom were considered top end shut down stalwarts.
Muni and Steve Smith were solid shutdowns who rounded out the Defense

Hall of Fame goalie in Fuhr.

Epsilon 03-20-2013 08:45 AM

Anyone have some data on this? Would be interesting to see this measured in terms of lowest standard deviation across a team (or splitting forwards and defensemen) in terms of points/goals/etc.

SealsFan 03-20-2013 10:39 AM

One of my favorite team performances, the 74-75 Penguins - top 9 forwards with from 23 to 43 goals

Jean Pronovost - 43
Rick Kehoe - 32
Vic Hadfield - 31
Pierre Larouche - 31
J Bob Kelly - 27
Lowell MacDonald - 27
Chuck Arnason - 26
Syl Apps - 24
Ron Schock - 23

patnyrnyg 03-20-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Epsilon (Post 62024085)
Anyone have some data on this? Would be interesting to see this measured in terms of lowest standard deviation across a team (or splitting forwards and defensemen) in terms of points/goals/etc.

No idea, but I would be willing to bet that the teams with the lowest standard devs would be teams like the 99-2004 Rangers, rather than teams that were really good or championship teams. That is, if you did the study for ALL teams.

jekoh 03-20-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by patnyrnyg (Post 62033435)
No idea, but I would be willing to bet that the teams with the lowest standard devs would be teams like the 99-2004 Rangers, rather than teams that were really good or championship teams. That is, if you did the study for ALL teams.

Wouldn't expansion teams win this hands down? I mean aren't they basically a whole bunch of 3rd liners?


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